oh my…. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/science/nobel-prize-physics-hopfield-hinton-machine-learning-intl/index.html
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@MolemanPeter even there, though- isn’t the standard Noble notion one of rewarding contributions to that discipline?
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Yep, fundamentally physics really is computation. Great to see that get more public recognition.
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@MolemanPeter what it really illustrates is how much the Noble view/partition of science is dated….
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@psybertron feels forced to me even if take your view. It’s not computation aimed at physics that’s being produced here. These are computational systems that have emerged fundamentally as models of living things…
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@UlrikeHahn
I’m thrilled! If you read Hopfield 1981, it’s very much inspired by spin glasses of magnetism applied to memory, leading to attractor states as emergent properties. I endorse that as physics. -
@UlrikeHahn
Understood and agreed, but it is the Nobel prize for Physics, right? -
@UlrikeHahn Totally agree, this just seems like the Nobel folks wanted to give him something but knew that they don't have a category that fits the work. If there was a computer science prize it would make sense of course (even if I don't like Hinton's recent statements)
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@NicoleCRust yes, the spin glass angle is why I said I think it makes much more sense for Hopfield than for Hinton. I also think both are amazing scientists that thoroughly deserve a Noble… I still don’t think their contribution is really *to* physics, and I think a better move would be for the Noble committee to realise how dated its notion of “science” is….there should at the very least be a (pseudo) Noble like the one for economics for biology and social sciences….
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@NicoleCRust I should really learn how to spell Nobel…. embarassing…
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@bwaber you can definitely disagree with his views on what “ever bigger” will change, but his work has also so consistently proved so many people wrong over the last four decades that I’m always amazed at the confidence with which people dismiss his views.
Either way, he’s an amazing scientist, even if, from a practical perspective, I personally wish his work hadn’t been quite so successful as I’m not a huge fan of the current moment ….
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@psybertron yes
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@UlrikeHahn
I did the same yesterday, multiple times! -
@NicoleCRust I feel like I knew this once, as well…
it’s a bit like that unpredictable every 100th ATM moment where you suddenly can’t remember the PIN you’ve had for the last 10 years….
brains are weird…
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@UlrikeHahn
Speaking of Nobel prizes! Here's a brilliant Ig for jamais vu —a feeling of strangeness or unfamiliarity that arises for things that you know should be familiar.
https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/psychology-neuroscience/news/title-189663-en.php -
@NicoleCRust interesting! hadn’t come across that!
