People focus on Hitler and Nazi leaders and the atrocious lethal lies they told to justify the mass murder of Jews.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration Yes, that definitely plays a role, and the gender breakdown we see in the pro-Trump vote as polls expose that tells us this, for sure. I ask, though, why according rights to people long denied them — in this case, women — erodes the rights of the rest of us — in this case men. I agree that a lot of men have chosen to view women's reception of rights in that zero-sum way. But I don't think this is an accurate assesment on their part of what's happening in the world.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to lolonurse last edited by
@lolonurse Have I mentioned to you before Daniel Mendelsohn's book The Lost. It's truly one of the most powerful books I've ever read. From the time he was a young teen, Mendelsohn was driven to try to find out what happened to family members in Eastern Europe during the Holocaust. His book recounts the story of his years of searching for information — and what he found. If only more of us chose to learn what your grandfather taught well: how horrible hate is.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to lolonurse last edited by
@lolonurse That's right. And I have to say, this dynamic is not far from my own experience and history. Growing up in the Civil Rights period in the American South and seeing acts of violence against Black people even right in my own community, I saw many "good" people turn their heads, pretend not to see. It can be revelatory to see who will not stand with you when you're attacked, when they day before, they claimed to be a friend.
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BassRck5000replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to BassRck5000 last edited by
@BassRck5000 Yes, the impulse to tribalism is inbuilt in humankind. Also inbuilt is the drive to collaborate, create, stand together, assist each other to build things better for all.
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BassRck5000replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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For the tribe.
Expand the tribe
Enrich the tribe
Protect the tribe.
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Mastodon Migrationreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Take a workplace example. Let's say a very mediocre lazy white male is the foreman of a crew containing women, blacks and Hispanics. He works alongside them, albeit as their boss, and knows that some of them would do a much better job of running the crew. He now feels threatened that it is not just white guys that can be foremen.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Mastodon Migration last edited by
@mastodonmigration Yes, and interestingly enough, I see just that very thing repeatedly as I walk in my neighborhood, where the hard work of maintaining and repairing streets, cutting trees or limbs from trees, putting on new roofs for houses, and so on, is done almost exclusively by Hispanic men working with a white man as their foreman. And it is very apparent to me that that white man is often mediocre and lazy as he lords it over those hard-working Hispanic men.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to BassRck5000 last edited by
@BassRck5000 Yes, or celebrate those who don't think in tribalistic terms and in that way inspire people to stop applying that analysis to the world. Examples of those people throughout history abound.
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lolonursereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to lolonurse last edited by
@lolonurse It is, for sure. The Milgram experiment showed us decisively just how willing a shocking percentage of us are to inflict pain on someone else at the behest of an authority figure.
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Susan60replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Susan60 last edited by
@Susan60 I agree, and I'd say that's particularly the case for Americans, who have a shallow, uninformed sense of history, many of us.
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse @wdlindsy
The D-Day landings succeeded in part because of the French Resistance.
They risked their lives throughout WW2 to resist the Nazis.
Spies, Saboteurs And D-Day
Spies, Saboteurs And D-Day. Learn more about the resistance groups that helped
Imperial War Museums (www.iwm.org.uk)
The French Resistance Took Many Forms During WWII
After the fall of Paris in 1940, French Gen. Charles de Gaulle called for resistance to the Nazis. From military sabotage to civilian clandestine activities, the French answered and resisted mightily.
HowStuffWorks (history.howstuffworks.com)
Like many nations, the ideology of fascism exposed deep rifts in national identity. Bigotry vs pluralism. Rich vs poor. Liberty vs authority.
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Yes, but France has a very long history of antisemitism itself. My own family lived in the very eastern part of France that, centuries ago, went back & forth between France & Germany (before Germany was unified), then they fled to Westphalia about 700 years ago, during one of France's pogroms, & lived in Westphalia until Hitler. -
Susan60replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Sadly, that’s the impression I get.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Susan60 last edited by
@Susan60 Same for me. My area of concentration in my Ph.D. work was history, so that field has long interested me, and my work in it convinces me more and more that many Americans just have little interest in history or much of a clue about it.
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@lolonurse @Npars01 @wdlindsy France also tried to surpass the Nazis in how many Jews from their own country they could put on trains and ship to their deaths. The historical research on this was suppressed until the early 1980s. DeGaulle maintained that fiction of freedom fighters while the Vichy dispatched thousands to the gas chambers, with nary a thought from the population
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse @wdlindsy
The Vél d'Hiv Roundup was infamous. Over 13,000 men, women, and children sent to their doom by their fellow citizens.
The Vel d'Hiv Roundup through the eyes of legendary French cartoonist Cabu
On the 80th anniversary of the deportation of 13,000 French Jews, an exhibition at the Holocaust museum in Paris shows drawings the cartoonist made in 1967 for a groundbreaking book on the subject.
Le Monde.fr (www.lemonde.fr)
Letters from Drancy
Memorials for the 60th anniversary of the first mass round-up of French Jews in 1942 include the publication of a book of 129 victim testimonials, reports Jon Henley.
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
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Susan60replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Mine, in Australia, was modern feminist history, including units on sexuality & “deviance”, or rather, the treatment of those who don’t “fit”. Also a unit on religion, & units on American history & politics.
What gets me is the professed patriotism of Americans, alongside their ignorance. How can anyone think that their country is “great”, when they know so little? Either about their own country &/or anywhere else?