People focus on Hitler and Nazi leaders and the atrocious lethal lies they told to justify the mass murder of Jews.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Nicole Parsons last edited by
@Npars01 Yes, thank you for that good reminder and the valuable links. They certainly did have widespread collaboration in Austria, France, the Low Countries, Eastern Europe.
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Asbestosreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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Ask yourself this. Were Germans then fundamentally different people? Were they very unlike us? This after all was not that long ago, not that far away. Could it be that we're basically the same people, and therefore capable of basically the same thing?
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Lyricismistreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy A political lie, any political lie puts in place the narrative that any lie is politically acceptable
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Rico Torreanoreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy People find it easier to believe the Holocaust to be a political crime of the Nazis, instead of facing the reality that it was a crime of Christians, all over Europe, against a rival religion.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Rico Torreano last edited by
@ricot Antisemitism is definitely rooted in Christian belief systems. And something else is rooted there, too, we see in the courageous Christians in Nazi-occupied countries and Germany itself who risked their lives to save Jews during the Nazi period.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Lyricismist last edited by
@lyricismist Very well-stated. I agree.
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Darwin Woodkareplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
And the rest of the problem is the unwilling of other people to call out their friends, neighbors and family for that hate.
I don't talk to them when they spew that hate. You shouldn't either. Call them out, tell them to knock it off, tell them it is WRONG. Tell them it's not "politics", it's their HATE that's the problem.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Darwin Woodka last edited by
@darwinwoodka Absolutely. This is one of the key lessons we should have learned from the Nazi period.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Asbestos last edited by
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@wdlindsy Well said, and spot on.
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Escarpmentreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy I try to often point out as well: the stigmatization will *seem* justified. For example, today, the stigmatization of Jewish people for Israel's actions in Gaza seems like a righteous stand to take. Every generation has their fabricated reason why antisemitism is righteous and justified.
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Andrewreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy they tapped into a seam of distrust and fear and spun it up into hate. Curiously they didn’t initially follow through, the Nuremberg Laws were not passed until 1935. People started writing in asking when they were going to do something about the Jews as they said. The rest is history.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
In a powerful essay written with his usual lucidity, Timothy Snyder comments on Trump's "Hitlerian month" and the continued refusal of many American commentators to acknowledge the clear parallels between what Trump and Vance are doing and saying what Hitler did and said.
As Snyder notes, the myth of American exceptionalism forces us to pretend it can't happen to us, the good guys.
#Trump #Republicans #Hitler #Nazis #immigrants #BloodLibel #PoliticsofHate
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
But:
"The reason why we keep alive the memory of Nazi crimes is not because it could never happen here, but because something similar can always happen anywhere. That memory has to include the details of history, or else we will not recognize the dangers.
'Never again' is something that you work for, not something that you inherit."
#Trump #Republicans #Hitler #Nazis #immigrants #BloodLibel #PoliticsofHate
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"It is fascist to start a political campaign from the choice of an enemy (this is the definition of politics by the most talented Nazi thinker, Carl Schmitt). It is fascist to replace reason with emotion, to tell big lies ('create stories,' as Vance says) that appeal to a sense of vulnerability and exploit a feeling of difference."
#Trump #Republicans #Hitler #Nazis #immigrants #BloodLibel #PoliticsofHate
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"The fantasy of barbarians in our cities violating basic social norms serves to gird the Trump-Vance story that legal, constitutional government is helpless and that only an angry mob backed by a new regime could get things done.
It is worth knowing, in this connection, that the first major action of Hitler's SS was the forced deportation of migrants."
Snyder also dissects Trump's out-in-the-open antisemitism.
#Trump #Republicans #Hitler #Nazis #immigrants #BloodLibel #PoliticsofHate
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Piousunynreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Exploiting emotions of fear, using people of difference, is how this works. There is also, the need to exploit others in order to feel superior, using conjured lies seems most prevalent.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Piousunyn last edited by
@Piousunyn Yes, exploiting emotions of fear and ginning up hostility about differences perceived as negative is the name of the game.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Andrew last edited by
@serendip1959 Yes — every bit in the same way that Trump and Vance are doing right now.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Escarpment last edited by
@escarpment Yes, stigmatization works to motivate hate precisely because people see it as seemingly justified — due to the drumbeat of lying propaganda building on longstanding social tensions. It's about defining us, the ones holding the power over the stigmatized others, as the righteous and good, and those others as the bad. When we set up that dynamic, anything we do to "them" no matter how evil and barbaric is justified in our minds.