People focus on Hitler and Nazi leaders and the atrocious lethal lies they told to justify the mass murder of Jews.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Nicole Parsons last edited by
@Npars01 @lolonurse @Burnt_Veggies @lawyersgunsnmoney Yes โ people almost never willingly relinquish power over others and the privileges that dominative power brings.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Burnt Veggies last edited by
@Burnt_Veggies @lolonurse @lawyersgunsnmoney @Npars01 I agree. People can have a string of college degrees and be seriously uneducated. And by contrast, they can lack formal education and be educated. I think the ideal, of course, is to have actual education. But possessing a college degree is no guarantee that someone will be wise, humane, insightful โ with both heart and head well-educated.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Toxy ๐ฌ๐ช๐บ๐ธ๐ช๐ฌ๐ง๐บ๐ฆ last edited by
@toxy Thank you. That looks like a book I must add to my reading list. Two similar books you may find worth reading are Julia Boyd's Travellers in the Third Reich and A Village in the Third Reich.
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kmetzreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Yes. Trying to convince people by reason can even drive them in further. Ostracising does too, obviously, it reaffirms a โus vs. themโ cult mentality and is exactly what cult leaders are looking for. People often got trapped by propaganda, instead of having made a sane decision to join a cult. Itโs brainwashing.
What can help is expertise from cult counseling, listening to what quitters say.
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@wdlindsy What I gathered from cult experts over the years comes down toโ
Not talking about it much, other than placing seeds of doubt. Instead, talking about normal, positive things, common interests, sports, hobbies, shared experiences from the past, etc. And that members always carry a scepticism or suspicions against their cult, which grows bigger, the less โcult contentโ they are constantly surrounded with or have in mind (incl. any counterarguments). People can only leave on their own. -
CassandraVertreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to CassandraVert last edited by
@CassandraVert But academics can be interested in power, in serving powerful people. Spend a day in a university setting, interacting with faculty and administrators, and you'll see that behavior over and over.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to kmetz last edited by
@kmetz Yes, I think there's a "gateway" aspect to cults, in which people are groomed by being shown a benign side of the cult they may eventually join. And I agree that they can get out only on their own (though often with assistance from other former members).
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kmetzreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Yes. Former members are so important to society.
I also see real evil recruitment tactics being used by those cults. They are fishing for fearful, vulnerable people, and for that are trying to fuel any perceived vulnerability, like constantly downtalking the economy (and a lot more, I donโt even want to).
It reminds of 1920 Fascists and Marxists who believed making things worse for others would be some sort of โneccessityโ. Such movements tend to self-corrupt and thus fail, luckily. -
@wdlindsy I believe the more there is now that motivates people out of cults, the more there will be when they implode.
And I see a lot of what happens these days as a sort of stress test, as an opportunity for societal improvements overall (in computer science / cyber security itโd be โpen testingโ, one could say of democracy and our core values, which can only grow by it. Forgive me when Iโm being too technical )
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to kmetz last edited by
@kmetz Yes, I agree. You're making very good points in these statements.
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@wdlindsy In essence, what I *feel* matters is (actual) truth, empathy and love. And love is stronger than hate, otherwise we wouldnโt even be here โ๏ธ
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to kmetz last edited by
@kmetz I agree.
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Phoenix Gee ๐ฅฅ๐ด๐ธ๐replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @lawyersgunsnmoney @Npars01 @lolonurse "Who in their right mind would welcome authoritarianism?" - The answer is:
People who were brought up conditioned that forcing their will on others is normal.
People who were brought up conditioned that having someone else's will forced on them is normal.
People who are fervent followers of the Leopards-Eating-Peoples-Faces party.
And lastly people who dream of becoming relevant if the current society is replaced.
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Alarodreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy โAuthoritarianโ is a polite way of saying โcriminally insane.โ Who physically abuses all of those children?
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๐๐ท๐ญ๐๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ญ๐๐ฎ ๐คreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Kamala Harris is running the best campaign in living memory. and JD, meanwhile, are spewing racism and hate nonstop. Yet it is still very very close.
If the spewers of hate actually win, or take over by force, I don't see how we can stay here.
It is good to have a plan, so we know where we could go if we have to.
Carribean island nations are very welcoming to retirees and remote workers (as we are a more reliable source of income than tourists).
@wdlindsy @lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse @Burnt_Veggies @Npars01
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to ๐๐ท๐ญ๐๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ญ๐๐ฎ ๐ค last edited by
@andytiedye @lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse @Burnt_Veggies @Npars01 I'm sure many folks are looking at alternatives longingly. Understandably so.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Alarod last edited by
@Alarod I suspect that many people inclined to authoritarianism aren't really insane. They're just predisposed to toxic lies that paint targeted segments of the population as "the enemy" to be vanquished or even killed.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Phoenix Gee ๐ฅฅ๐ด๐ธ๐ last edited by
@PhoenixGee @lawyersgunsnmoney @Npars01 @lolonurse Yes, this is how I see authoritarianism. This is an excellent statement.
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Burnt Veggiesreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @andytiedye @lawyersgunsnmoney @lolonurse @Npars01 I'm not going anywhere. I'm a 3rd (at least) generation veteran and I'm not going to give up my country to those assholes.