This is absolutely insane and should make anyone consider how the hyper-connected nature of our technology can open up dangers never considered. Like your phone blowing up in your pocket in a coordinated cyber-attack.#Israel #Hezbollah #Warhttps://ars...
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸wrote last edited by [email protected]
This is absolutely insane and should make anyone consider how the hyper-connected nature of our technology can open up dangers never considered. Like your phone blowing up in your pocket in a coordinated cyber-or-supply-chain-attack.
#Israel #Hezbollah #War
https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/09/8-dead-2700-injured-after-simultaneous-pager-explosions-in-lebanon/ -
Badass Britt :mastodon_lgbt:replied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris woah. I’m going to need to read up on this! Goodness, those poor people.
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Paul Turnbull :CApride:replied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris So far I've a lot of questions about how this done and not any definitive answers. That said it's starting to sound like the devices had explosives put in them at some point.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Paul Turnbull :CApride: last edited by
@Chigaze ya I've heard either supply-chain, they infiltrated the manufacturer of the devices somehow or a supplier to put in a compromised battery or other device... or some sort of cyber attack trigger, or a combination.
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Paul Turnbull :CApride:replied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris Based on the discussions I've read the plausible explanation is that they got explosives into the devices but used a hack to overheat the batteries to detonate the explosives. However I'm no expert.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Paul Turnbull :CApride: last edited by
@Chigaze I am sure we'll know eventually. What is certain is that they were able to cause thousands of independent devices to explode at essentially the same moment regardless of location. It is a deeply concerning and, IMO, indiscriminate form of violence.
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Kristoffer Lawsonreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris @britt I disagree. The pagers were for and carried by Hezbollah. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that the majority of the worst injuries would be against those carrying the device, Hezbollah. So it’s not correct to say ‘indiscriminate’. Though there will have been collateral too. What the final split looks like remains to be seen (assuming Hezbollah reports truthfully, which I honestly don’t know).
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@Setok @britt Turn it around. If Iran declared war on the USA and planted a bomb in the pocket of 2000 US Serviceman all over the United States regardless of whether they were on duty or off duty, at home, or at a military base, in a grocery store or in a public toilet, and they blew them up.
That's OK now?
Because that's what Israel (presumably) just did.
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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸replied to Kristoffer Lawson last edited by
No, collateral damage is a singular, or at most a number of bombs in an area target a military target and there happen to be civilians in that area that are killed.
What we saw today was the inverse. A Hyper-targeted attack of individual people (who may or many not be affiliated with a militant group) being attacked in any and all areas, public, civilian, military or whatever causing what is essentially a widespread mass casualty, distributed event.
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Kristoffer Lawsonreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris @britt it being OK or not is different from it being indiscriminate. If Iran were to do that it would not be indiscriminate.
Would it be OK (from a war tactic POV, forgetting for a moment I’m no fan of Iran)? I honestly haven’t yet decided.
It would depend in part on how badly bystanders are injured, though the attack would have elements of terrorism.
If the US had a button that would have done the same to Al Qaeda commanders, would they press it?
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Kristoffer Lawsonreplied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
@chris @britt sure, it was spread geographically. But I don’t really see any difference from a bomb strike in terms of collateral. I don’t see why geographical spread matters. What matters is how it affects others.
It all depends on how much and how badly collateral were hit. And that we don’t know yet.
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