POV: It's January 19th

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These are very loose terms. Pretty much every major website saves IP addresses when you create an account (to prevent abuse/spam detection). And you can get location info from the IP address. Hence the first condition would be true for all of those websites.

Next, any website/app that builds a recommendation system will save user interactions to build the "algorithm". So every social media with an algorithm will fall into this category.

With enough bending of terminology, we might be able to prove that the lemmy also collects user data (although it will be really hard cuz the algo here is based on upvotes and time posted iirc). And "large amount" part is just legal filler words.

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You fixed nothing, just added some whataboutisim nonsense.

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Both are bad, one is worse.

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LMAO, The company that makes the algorithm has control over what that algorithm "weighs" it's not that hard for them to tweak the values so it "weighs" whatever propaganda or content they want to push more of much higher than other content.

It's true, the end user does have some influence on the algorithm, but when they have it tweaked to "weigh" pro-CCP or pro-Right-wing trash much higher than other content it doesn't take much to end up falling back. For example, watching part of single pro-Trump video would make the algorithm push much more Trump trash where it would take 5 "normal" fully watched videos to continue showing "normal" videos.

And that's assuming the average user is even aware enough to influence it to that degree, which they don't.

Plus, US based users have their data stored on US servers hosted by Oracle, China has no access to it.

Yea, the data is stored in the US, but it still influences the TikTok US algorithm (because they have a separate algorithm for China ofc) which is still wholly controlled outside of the US

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Which is a comparison that makes complete sense. When you say that someone is leading the way, you are clearly referring to them being at the forefront at the time when they were leading the way. Any system that was a trail blazer 100+ years ago should be outdated by now, unless progress stopped or went backwards in the meantime.

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Eventually but my partner still saw the genocide there.

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It's really a combination of all of the above.

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Since this is the place for the most serious discussion:

If US lawmakers focused on protecting American's privacy with some sensible privacy laws coughGDPR equivalent cough, we could avoid pulling out the ban hammer to play whack-a-mole on these companies.

Companies would simply be punished by the law for being malicious or irresponsible with your data, forcing industries to take privacy seriously and make investments in protecting and not leaking it.

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There is sooooo much weird conspiracy shit in these comments. The government is banning TikTok becuase they collect too much data and the Chinese government could eaisly get access to all of it. The correct thing to do would be to regulate data collection but that would be problematic for Google, Meta, Microsoft, Apple..etc etc... so instead they just ban TikTok. All this TikTok tefusing to spread deep state US govt propaganda horse shit is a bit past nuts.

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That is quite the logic. That it is the fault of the militarized resistance against a colonial state (just a political party really, but putting that aside) that the colonial state's prime minister is using genocide against their people to hold onto power.

At some point you have to actually ask yourself, am I apply equal standards for assigning blame across the spectrum?

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Fuck you. I'm going to RedNote. Purely out of spite. Because I'd rather dropship my DNA to the Chinese Party of China HQ than give my data to Zucc or Elon.

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On paper, it was a rejection of monarchism, so a step away from centralized control - but, in the same sort of way as the Magna Carta, where they didn't make the leap all the way to popular democracy, and instead sought to partially democratize power only among the ruling class. More democratic features have been added since then (suffrage, equal protection clause, etc.), though not nearly enough. IMO we do need to completely throw the system out and start over, only carrying over things for the sake of streamlining/continuity.

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You don't get the difference between changing the algorithms vs allowing different content?

And also didn't notice the vocal feedback about the change vs say hearing nothing about any algorithm changes?

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Imagine cheering that your government decided witch social media are you allowed to use.

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I think the idea of the government banning entire websites (or really any information in general) is horrifying. The fact that so many people in America seem to be enthusiastic or at least indifferent to new forms of government censorship shows how far along we are to complete fascism. Information is meant to be free, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. The fact that’s we’re having these conversations is disgusting.

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I hope you mean Google, they track you all over the web whether you want to be tracked or not just because lazy web developers can't be bothered to host their own fonts (and other ways but that's just one example). You have to deliberately download or use TikTok for them to get your data.

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I mean occams razor is the best way to feel sane in the disinformation age so im with you. But i think its more accruate to do our best understand what is possible and suspend holding a specific belief like that because it doesnt matter if you are right or wrong. Many things could be true at the same time, especially with who you ask.

Kind of makes our conversations worthless, which i think is the strategy of disinformation. We cant know, so should we really be claiming whats true or not? Seems like we should just offer what seems most likely rather than tell everyone they are wrong unless you have information sources to help them understand why they are likely wrong.

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Polly wants a cracker

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This is a pretty sane explanation.

I'm also at least partially convinced that it's motivated by our social media giants' interest to "think of the children" their competition away.

Seeing as the order was basically "Get bought by an American corpo or get banned." They either plunder the competitor's insane data collection, userbase, and profits, or kick them off their corner.

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Now do one with Xinnie the Pooh