I knew Zuck would find a way to fuck it all up!
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I knew Zuck would find a way to fuck it all up! With interconnectivity comes a dick with no Vaseline!
#Threads #Fediverse #Mastodon https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/112391192672337102
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@WorMP3 if they do that, it'll be proprietary. I don't think AP will allow any of this "officially". So, good luck to them getting folks to adopt something that nobody wants, I guess?βοΈ
Seems like a useless endeavor that's gonna be dead in the water. They can't EEE if we're all still here doing the same thing we've been doing.
Just stay on Fedi (obviously) and dont interact with anything that seems remotely close to this type of "feature" and I'm sure we'll be just fine.
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2) People will leave the Fediverse and Join Threads directly.
I donβt see users at least the layman opening their own servers, because they either donβt have the knowledge, or donβt have the funds to maintain a private server.
Itβs a slippery slope and Iβm just not sure where the Fediverse lies as a whole in the possibility of essentially monetizing AP. (2/2)
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@BeAware I hear you, but Iβm not necessarily worried about the users, Iβm worried about the majority of admins enabling this.
Admittedly itβs very tempting to turn on a feature to obtain revenue for the server, if the admins do this here in the Fediverse I see 2 things happening:
1) People stay with the server and pay the fees or allow their data to be blatantly sold to data brokers for money (ads) OR; (1/2)
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@WorMP3 not sure why anyone would join threads proper if they know threads is the one pushing such features, wouldn't that just be embracing the devil? That's not gonna happen. There's always gonna be people here. And sure, I don't think single user instance owners like myself will be willing to open things up, but I don't think every single person on Fedi will just jump to Threads. We barely have anyone over there right now and there's already monetary incentives to do so....βοΈ
Also, I'm quite sure there's many Fedi admins who will refuse to embrace such features. I think the worry is a bit over exaggerated and we ARE starting to do it to ourselves at this point.
I said it a month ago and I'll say it again, the people of Fedi will be the death of Fedi. Fedi needs to make money to survive. That's life. Sorry/not sorry but if I can't even live without money, how would I even begin to be expected to host a decent sized Fedi instance? That's just asinine thinking....
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Iβll be the first to tell you I understand that the Fedi needs money to survive. In fact it has survived still because of donations and user support. Some instances already require membership fees, which again I understand. I would rather give money to you than to a large corporation - my point being, not sure most users feel the same way I do. (3/3)
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I hope youβre right as far as admins rejecting this model, but as of now itβs all speculation until Threads goes live with this model and begins pandering the same to Fedi Admins. (2/3)
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@BeAware People would join Threads over Fedi if Fedi turns into yet another βQVCβ if there is no difference between the environments, most people will choose the easy route the same way people chose Facebook over MySpace. And yes, MySpace is still around, and itβs also irrelevant.
Because companies donβt see the monetary incentive yet, once companies see the path being built by Meta, theyβll start using Threads the same way they started using Twitter. (1/3)
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@WorMP3 actually, there are already MANY companies that see a monetary value on Threads, there's TONS of people there, simply opening an account as a company is monetarily advantageous. This isn't something that's yet to happen.βοΈ
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@BeAware Edit: adding here to make sure the thread is chronological.
A bit confusing are there people and companies using threads currently or not? You previously said there werenβt and now youβre saying there are?
All Iβm saying, as I think I said to you a few months back, Zuck will always find a way to make his money.
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@WorMP3 did I say previously that there were NO companies on threads? Please link me becuase I definitely misspoke and need to correct that. There are 160m accounts there. There would be absolutely no way for me to tell just how many companies are there but it's a non-zero amount.
I'm sorry if I have said that. That would be a massive oversight on my part and I feel really bad that I would say such a ridiculous thing
But yes, of course, every CEO of a major company has an obligation to make money. That is how capitalism works, unfortunately. But let's be real, you aren't going to change that by potentially alienating a massive amount of people who could possibly think the same way as you, by blocking threads completely. There's 160m accounts there and most people just don't know there's an alternative to that hellhole.
That simple fact is what keeps me motivated to get people informed there. Because if they're informed and can make an informed decision to (maybe) move to Fediverse proper, then this EEE strategy has an even less chance of working, because there will just be more pushback.
More informed people is what we need and if you block Threads instead of trying to inform users there, it's just not doing any good for that. I do understand the people that block them for harassment fears like LGBTQIA+ folks. But I feel that if there were a decent amount of people willing to not block them in hopes to inform their users, it could do some good.
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@BeAware Iβm not sure you misspoke, but it may also be misleading: last sentence of paragraph 1.
True, alienating wonβt help, but it also wonβt help if we allow Meta to βinfiltrateβ and corrupt Fedi either. I would love to talk to people there now (but I canβt because Meta wonβt let me). So I can only take Meta by their actions and right now, EEE seems more likely than not. (1/2)
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@WorMP3 for the first issue, you're right, it's misleading for sure! That's my mistake.
I was meaning Fedi users jumping to Threads for monetary reason. Monetary reasons are already on Threads and there's not many of "us" there as is. Moreso, I might have originally misunderstood your statement about "going there for monetary gain".
In both cases however, they're both my fault and I apologize. I hope to learn to communicate more effectively in the future so this kinda misunderstanding doesn't keep happening.
Also, I see some of your posts here have 1/2 and 1/3 as if they should be expanded in more posts. However I feel as if I've given enough time for you to add those posts and you haven't so I'm slightly worried that I didn't get them or you just may have not had enough free time IRL to do so. That would be my bad again.
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@BeAware No apologies needed! Weβre all human after all, and thanks for clarifying. Yeah my instance only allow 500 and Mona is kind enough to put it in thread form :blobsmilehappyeyes:
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@WorMP3 but I only see the 1/3 and 1/2. I don't have 2/3, 3/3 or 2/2. Which is strange.
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@WorMP3 I'm glad we can agree. Thanks for your time friend. Sorry for all the confusion and miscommunication. There seemed to be some sort of weird federation bug happening and I didn't get all of your posts right away, which is where a LOT of miscommunication came from.
I don't think this expansion on AP, if it becomes a reality, would be EEE, simply because we both agree that Fedi needs to make money. Therefore, I think we've ended up agreeing on everything besides the EEE thing, for now. That's yet to be seen, obviously and as I've said many times before, I'll be out as soon as they start doing something super nefarious.
However, wanting to make money on Fedi is not nefarious.