When I talk about the importance of going all in on the Fediverse, I speak based on experience.
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@jon
it's the same with the cloud vs your own servers
AWS and Azure used to be much cheaper, now they're cheaper only at some cases, but the damage, that has already been done to the server infrastructure of medium size companies is too expensive to revert back -
@albi , that is true. We do not use the cloud at Vivaldi. We host things our selves. We did the same at Opera when I was there.
I like being in control over our own infrastructure and I know our users expect as much as well.
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@jon I had one of those MyOpera blogs. I also helped with a localisation thing and Opera sent me chocolate and a neoprene phone case thing. Good memories.
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When we started with Vivaldi, we started by making the community available with blogs and forums. We felt it was the right thing to do for all those that had set up an account on MyOpera.
Vivaldi.net is not as big as MyOpera yet, but we have almost 2 million accounts set up so far.
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Geoffrey Giebelhausreplied to Jon S. von Tetzchner last edited by
@jon Curious, as someone learning. If say I wanted to make my own server for Mastodon, would I not loose the benefits of the live feeds for browsing posts by others on my server?
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Jon S. von Tetzchnerreplied to Geoffrey Giebelhaus last edited by
If you were the only one on that server. Now you are on one of the larger servers, so likely going to live feeds from all servers would not be all that different.
In any case, I am not recommending you to leave your current server. What I am talking about is for companies and institutions to set up servers. I think this makes a lot of sense for universities and the like. You can then have the local server for those that are members of the university, but still be able to link to people on other servers.
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Geoffrey Giebelhausreplied to Jon S. von Tetzchner last edited by
@jon Right right that makes sense. The reason I'm pondering it was that I do photography as a side business. I wondered if there might be value in making one specific to my "brand"... but based on what you're saying I'd be better to make one specific to my "genre" of photography... of which I know there are other servers I could jump to that have been setup like this.
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Jon S. von Tetzchnerreplied to Geoffrey Giebelhaus last edited by
Not sure what to recommend in your case. It all depends on how much you want to put into it. One of the nice things about Mastodon is the servers serving a smaller group of people. On the other hand the large servers are great too! I would just like to see more servers and more users and I think that is good for the whole community.
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@jon
So that's why Vivaldi seemingly wastes resources running a Mastodon instance, instead of focusing everything on building the best browser.Suddenly it makes sense.
With the bonus that with Mastodon you get to both run your own community and also interact with those of us who are on other instances without needing us to join yours.
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We can do two things at the same time. In fact we can do more than two. The community we build supports our browser. Not just Vivaldi Social, but the whole Vivaldi.net.
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CM Thiedereplied to Jon S. von Tetzchner last edited by [email protected]
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Jon S. von Tetzchnerreplied to Jon S. von Tetzchner last edited by
I guess Elon Musk wanted to prove my point yet again...
X's Objection to the Onion Buying InfoWars Is a Reminder You Do Not Own Your Social Media Accounts
"X CORP. OWNS THE X ACCOUNTS."
404 Media (www.404media.co)
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@jon Right, but with everyone jumping on Twitter 2, how do you do change that?
I can't follow those people and small organizations that are closing their Twitter accounts, unless I setup a Bluesky account and download the app.There is a huge communication problem about Mastodon and ActivityPub. Less then one year ago there has been a similar situation, and people preferred to open an account on Facebook's platform Threads instead of the open alternative.
Not even tech channels and outlets are talking about it.
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In reality you can follow a lot of these people from here. Some are here already. You are also able to follow people on Threads. You can also follow Blogs and the like from here. There is a lot more you can do than you think.
The most important thing, however, is to convince people to join us. Convince them that it is worth it to set up shop here. Welcome them here. They may have their other accounts, but gradually they will see the value of being in a community that engages with them in a mostly positive manner.
Then when Twitter 2 goes down, they will thank you that you told them to join us, because here they still have their following.
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@jon
I mean, we should all be familiar with the enshittification loop by now. Sooner or later, any platform that seeks to turn a profit is going to turn the screws to you once they know you're locked in. -
The point is really that when you have a standards based, distributed system, things do not need to be like that. That is really the beauty of the Web and the Fediverse is really a true member of the Web.
I am not saying there will not be any bad Fediverse servers. There already are. But we can choose with which servers we will federate and that has the potential to keep the Fediverse overall on a straight and narrow!
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@jon Speaking of FB what on earth is going on there? It's full of scam ads and I see so little of what my freiends are doing these days. It's only out of habit I even check it.
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Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥋☣️replied to Jon S. von Tetzchner last edited by
I'm a big fan of the "find people on other networks and bring them from there to your community" model, similar to POSSE.
Generally though you want to make sure that the experience on the other networks is not the full one, so they have a reason to come to your network. One good way is to just post titles with a link elsewhere, and the full content on your own community.
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Grassroots Joereplied to Jon S. von Tetzchner last edited by
I've started a very preliminary conversation with a progressive overtly political organization with a lot of prospective users focused on the risk of Bluesky becoming Twitter 2.0.
Maybe the risk is small, maybe it's large, but can progressive organizations afford even a small risk given the magnitude of the political ramifications if we face a similar situation in late 2027/early 2028?
We'll see how the conversation goes as I work my way up their management ladder.
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Grassroots Joereplied to Jon S. von Tetzchner last edited by
Turnkey Fediverse nodes seems like a requirement for not particularly tech savvy progressive organizations.
They may have a stable of data analysts, probably some light web developers, but not server building/management people and definitely not any management interested in managing that kind of function.
