Guns

Pavel Chichikov

There are plenty of convenient and easy ways or harming each other outside of guns (France circa 2016). The same goes for suicide.
Gun control doesn't work anyways (Winnenden School Shooting, Jokela School Shooting Finland, 2007, Alphen aan den Rijn Shopping Mall Shooting in Netherlands, 2011, etc. etc.).
Guns save more lives than they take, and people like you purposefully ignore this fact. In trying to save a few hundred lives, you people are willing to deprive millions of the ability to defend themselves to get rid of something you don't understand.
Even if all of this was false, the ability to resist tyranny is more valuable than the lives lost to gun-crime.

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I can’t fathom how people saw police beating protesters to death in 2020, are decrying the new Trump presidency as the rise of fascism in America, and still believe that the government should be the only ones with firepower in their hands.

Now is exactly the time when the left should be rallying behind the second amendment.

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Well if they've been convicted of DV they're federally barred from firearms ownership, so they shouldn't have guns. I also doubt your assertion that everyone who abuses their wives and has guns shoots their wives, or there'd be like 40% more dead cop-wives, for instance.

Tell them what? That not every rapist has a gun, not every man is a rapist, and not every gun owner is necessarily a rapist or even a man (did you know they let women buy guns these dsys? Wild I know.) Sure, put em on the phone I'll tell them (oh and btw I'm also a rape victim, twice!)

More like "you were spouting silly bullshit so I sardonically replied, as one does." Something is wrong with your thought process that you think "make sure to positively identify your target" means "look your wife in the eyes as you purposefully kill her," I don't think you should have guns, you seem disturbed.

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Every time I see someone say that even the most lenient of gun regulations shouldn't be passed in the U.S., all I can do is picture them at home calling their guns "precious" like Gollum.

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Demonstrably false.

“The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.

In fact, having more than one armed person at the scene who is not a member of law enforcement can create confusion and carry dire risks. An armed bystander who shot and killed an attacker in 2021 in Arvada, Colo., was himself shot and killed by the police, who mistook him for the gunman.

It was twice as common for bystanders to physically subdue the attackers, often by tackling or striking them. At Seattle Pacific University in 2014, a student security guard pepper sprayed and tackled a gunman who was reloading his weapon during an attack that killed one and injured three others. The guard took the attacker’s gun away and held the attacker until law enforcement arrived.
When a gunman entered a classroom at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte in 2019, a student tackled him. The student was shot and killed, but the police chief said the attack would have had a far worse death toll had the student not intervened.

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I don’t think this is an actual case of that. I have a few friends that get kitted out with plate carriers and night vision for the range and it’s just LARPing. No different than ren faire people showing up to the faire in steel plate when obviously there isn’t some sword fight that’s about to break out at the fairgrounds.

It’s dorky as hell, but generally not malicious.

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It doesn’t take any more space than simply owning the gun and safety gear to go shoot for fun.

If you’re going to own a gun you really ought to go out and use it sometimes so you are somewhat competent in handling the firearm.

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space, time and money.

Also, I'm not shooting a firearm off in my sub-1-acre suburban neighborhood property.

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What is the bigger problem? Acid attacks or gun crime?

I fix patients who have been shot. Don't lecture me about solving problems.

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That’s not what I’m suggesting. The vast majority of gun owners don’t shoot their guns on their property. I live in a condo.

There are indoor and outdoor ranges all over the United States. If you live in a suburb it’s a safe bet that there is a gun range open to the public within a 20 minute drive of your house. Range access is easy and affordable everywhere in the USA. It doesn’t take an immense money or time commitment to go out and shoot every now and then.

If you buy a firearm, but refuse to learn how to use it, it really will be a waste of money because it won’t be useful to you if the time ever did come to need it. Plus you have an obligation to those around you to own a firearm responsibly. Part of responsible firearm ownership is basic competence with the weapon.

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It is very different than ren faire people showing up in military gear obsolete for hundreds of years, you can kill an entire crowd of people with an assault rifle, a person carrying around a murder weapon of that spontaneous ability to catastrophically induce violence isn't "LARPing" they are normalizing carrying around a murder weapon and being utterly obsessed with it which even if their motivations are innocent provides a nice big smokescreen of normalcy for the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world to hide behind.

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As a former soldier, soldier LARPers make me very uncomfortable.

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Totally fair. Most of these people haven’t experienced combat in any way. I’m just saying the motivation is mostly fun instead of some demented desire to kill.

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you can kill an entire crowd of people with an assault rifle in seconds

You’ve never fired a gun, have you? There is a massive amount of misinformation out there, and that’s not how any modern firearms made for the civilian market (including AR-15s) operate.

they are normalizing carrying around a murder weapon and being utterly obsessed with it

How so? We are talking about people who like to wear gear when they go to the range for fun. Thinking it would be fun to wear a bulletproof vest at the range or wearing NODs so you can shoot at night doesn’t imply any of those things.

even if their motivations are innocent provides a nice big smokescreen of normalcy for the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world to hide behind

How? A range trip isn’t “normalizing” anything nefarious regardless of what you choose to wear to the range. It’s just a range trip.

I am just pointing out how much more lame and uncool this is than ren faire or LARPing stuff

I don’t wear gear to the range but I know folks who do, and also go to faire and belong to a group who likes to fight with foam swords. From my perspective, it’s really the same deal. Dorky/nerdy people who like to dress up for fun. IMO it’s worth giving your fellow humans the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming the worst.

Pavel Chichikov

Yawn. Your personal experience is not reflective of broader trends. If you work in healthcare, you really should be smart enough to know this. So I will lecture you, because you clearly need it. Besides, you haven't refuted any of my points, you just resorted to logical fallacies like appeals to authority and anecdotal evidence. Proof that you don't have anything useful to say anymore. Smh.

Pavel Chichikov

preach! This! couldn't have said it better myself.

Pavel Chichikov

honestly it is the only way they can throw off the bourgeoisie. people who want to deprive the proletariat of guns are class traitors or posers from the bourgeoisie.

Pavel Chichikov

there is a point where peaceful protest is not enough, you realize that, right?

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You’ve never fired a gun, have you? There is a massive amount of misinformation out there, and that’s not how any modern firearms made for the civilian market (including AR-15s) operate.

Yes I have, save your "civilian ar-15s aren't automatic or burst fire so they aren't technically assault rifles or military weapons" nonsense, an assault rifle is more effective and lethal especially in they hands of some panicking chud like Kyle Rittenhouse if it is only capable of single fire except in the case of a driveby style hit. Exhibit A: most modern military doctrines.

I don’t wear gear to the range but I know folks who do, and also go to faire and belong to a group who likes to fight with foam swords. From my perspective, it’s really the same deal.

When was the last time a bunch of rennaisance faire nerds turned on the news and saw that someone else had just murdered 30 kids in a school dressed up in the same kind of costume they all like to wear... with the same brand and model of "foam" sword? ... and then just keep on dressing up in that same costume as the bodies of children keep piling up after school shootings happen over and over again?

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Oh I'm smart enough thank you. Just because you've read ao online guide to logical fallacies, doesn't make my personal experience irrelevant. It makes it an anecdote. That I wrote as food for thought. I dont have a duty to refute anything. This isn't debate class. If you want to do that then why dont we roll back to square one when you mentioned acid attacks as if their prevalence is equal to gun crime in America and that guns would solve the problem somehow. A completely ludicrous claim if ever there was one.