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It’s both.

Our systems have taught them that criminals are worthless disgusting inhuman animals who deserve death, and they’ve never considered the trauma associated with killing someone.

Plenty of veterans lives are ruined by shit like that, and they signed up for it. A little basement dwelling incel couldn’t even comprehend the trauma.

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Oh same. I've talked with friends about conceal carry. We all agree it would be the scariest thing possible to actually need to use it. We'll pretty much want to exhaust all other options including running the fuck away first.

We couldn't imagine the idea of actually living with having murdered someone. I know I'd pretty much immediately end up in therapy to help process it.

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I think it's the marketing. Everything has to me monetized or giggified and it's hard for us to just do stuff for no good reason (like collect and/or shoot guns). We've got to justify by protecting ou family from the zombie apocalypse or crime waves or something.

I think a lot of it is whistling in the dark as well. Our powerlessness coupled with hyper individualism and lack of social support makes for some pretty uncomfortable truths.

Plus the grab bag of racism and misdirected class fear.

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No ..no it doesn't. These studies are stupid levels of flawed. Not all crimes are reported to the police where nothing happened. Most DGUs no shot is fired, but they don't get counted because they're not reported.

The studies that try and show that a gun in the home is more dangerous use suicide statistics as well, which is like saying you're more likely to drown in a pool if you own one...which the answer is "no shit".

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Always loved that archer got the noise right in the show...mawp

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I agree, but it still felt like the comment wasn't being genuine. Horrible things can be horrible without making them sound more horrible than they actually were

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Yes it does, there's many studies across all the USA. It's one of the most studied thing ever.

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I already requested the link for the info you are referencing, and I have told you where I found mine. Please provide a source, I would like to learn.

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I’m not saying one is worse than the other, rather that both fucked around and found out.

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I did!

The court transcripts which I've read, you haven't and I'm not your goddamn mom. You know the source, go get it for yourself.

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Well that's strange because one is a convicted murderer.

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And the others probably would have been convicted of burglary if they lived, what’s your point?

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I do get what you are saying, and may offer some pov. I do not perceive anyone who breaks into my house as human, simply because I am aware of how weak I am. Not a gun owner, but if I am in kitchen, trust me I am grabbing a knife - anything to level the playing field - and setting myself on fight rather than flight.

But it's mostly fear and adrenaline. If something happened, I have no doubt I would go for it to secure mine and my partner security. How much of a wreck I'd be later remains to be seen, though for sure it would hit me hard.

Honestly, not much difference between that and chihuahua. Fight to kill out of fear.

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There's a severe epidemic of "I wish a motherfucker would" going around.

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Absolutely. If you think unarmed burglary and premeditated murder are the same morally and legally I cannot agree.

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Never said that. You are taking everything I say and twisting it.

The man is a murderer, the intruders are burglars, everyone sucks here. That is the only point I have ever made in this thread.

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I’m not saying one is worse than the other, rather that both fucked around and found out.

Except it isn't, you keep saying he had the right for the first few shots the jury found he did not.

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Ah yes. The true red blooded American solution; the only way to solve a serious problem is to escalate it out of proportion.

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And I am definitively saying the murderer is worse than his victims

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Honestly, not much difference between that and chihuahua. Fight to kill out of fear.

Yeah. Everyone has a right to pursue a safe place to be.

If someone or something puts me in an unsafe enough position, I might have to go through them instead of around them to get to safety.

There's no shame in that. It's also nothing to be proud of. It just is.