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but he was within his rights to defend himself when they broke in to his home.

No he wasn't, read the actual case transcript.

He was not within his rights to execute them after the threat was over.

There was never a threat, you really really need to read the court transcripts.

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The dude clearly murdered them and had violent vigilante fantasies—I don’t argue that one bit.

That said, they still came up to his house, broke a window, and entered with the intention to burgle it. It doesn’t really matter if the window was previously blocked or made of paper—breaking and entering with the intention of burglary is a crime, and having no block on a window isn’t enticement to have your house burgled.

Again, before anyone thinks I’m defending him, I fully agree that he is a murderer. I just think the burglars weren’t innocent either. In Reddit lingo, “everyone sucks here”.

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If you're arguing that both the murderer and murder victims "suck" maybe you need to rethink your priorities...

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If I had to kill somebody, I'd be scarred for life. Even if it was clearly in self defense.

Yet I've talked to gun owners who fantasize about getting the drop on a burglar and shooting them dead or something like that. I don't know if they're actually that bloodthirsty or just delusional, but either way it's pretty disturbing.

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You are defending him boss.

The jury took less than three hours to establish as a matter of fact that none of the shootings were justified or in defense. It's a fact now, your opinion is just that... An opinion and one not backed by either statute or the court case.

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It’s both.

Our systems have taught them that criminals are worthless disgusting inhuman animals who deserve death, and they’ve never considered the trauma associated with killing someone.

Plenty of veterans lives are ruined by shit like that, and they signed up for it. A little basement dwelling incel couldn’t even comprehend the trauma.

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Oh same. I've talked with friends about conceal carry. We all agree it would be the scariest thing possible to actually need to use it. We'll pretty much want to exhaust all other options including running the fuck away first.

We couldn't imagine the idea of actually living with having murdered someone. I know I'd pretty much immediately end up in therapy to help process it.

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I think it's the marketing. Everything has to me monetized or giggified and it's hard for us to just do stuff for no good reason (like collect and/or shoot guns). We've got to justify by protecting ou family from the zombie apocalypse or crime waves or something.

I think a lot of it is whistling in the dark as well. Our powerlessness coupled with hyper individualism and lack of social support makes for some pretty uncomfortable truths.

Plus the grab bag of racism and misdirected class fear.

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No ..no it doesn't. These studies are stupid levels of flawed. Not all crimes are reported to the police where nothing happened. Most DGUs no shot is fired, but they don't get counted because they're not reported.

The studies that try and show that a gun in the home is more dangerous use suicide statistics as well, which is like saying you're more likely to drown in a pool if you own one...which the answer is "no shit".

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Always loved that archer got the noise right in the show...mawp

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I agree, but it still felt like the comment wasn't being genuine. Horrible things can be horrible without making them sound more horrible than they actually were

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Yes it does, there's many studies across all the USA. It's one of the most studied thing ever.

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I already requested the link for the info you are referencing, and I have told you where I found mine. Please provide a source, I would like to learn.

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I’m not saying one is worse than the other, rather that both fucked around and found out.

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I did!

The court transcripts which I've read, you haven't and I'm not your goddamn mom. You know the source, go get it for yourself.

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Well that's strange because one is a convicted murderer.

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And the others probably would have been convicted of burglary if they lived, what’s your point?

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I do get what you are saying, and may offer some pov. I do not perceive anyone who breaks into my house as human, simply because I am aware of how weak I am. Not a gun owner, but if I am in kitchen, trust me I am grabbing a knife - anything to level the playing field - and setting myself on fight rather than flight.

But it's mostly fear and adrenaline. If something happened, I have no doubt I would go for it to secure mine and my partner security. How much of a wreck I'd be later remains to be seen, though for sure it would hit me hard.

Honestly, not much difference between that and chihuahua. Fight to kill out of fear.

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There's a severe epidemic of "I wish a motherfucker would" going around.

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Absolutely. If you think unarmed burglary and premeditated murder are the same morally and legally I cannot agree.