Guns

AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet

That's the sort of person who shouldn't own a firearm. That should actually be added as a question for the background check form.

AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet

Man, I would be pretty upset if I dedicated a bunch of my time to compete, and then a guy who got paid millions of dollars to train with some of the best experts in the field showed up as a competitor. That would be like entering an amateur competition and there's a fucking Navy Seal in line next to you.

AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet

They don't usually outright say it, but some make it clear in other ways.

Like showing up at the range in full combat gear. Dude, simma downa!

AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet

A couple years ago I joined a private shooting club. They have a range with targets from 10-300 yards. It was so cool to shoot there, and all the other members were total marksmanship nerds. Seeing all the great equipment, and ridiculous scopes was always fun, and the other members were nice to talk to. There were no soldier LARPers there. We operated as our own range masters, and everyone took safety very seriously. It was a refreshing change from the public range. Unfortunately I moved a couple hours away from that range, so it didn't make sense to continue paying the membership anymore. Now I just go to the mountains to shoot, because some of the people at public ranges make me quite uncomfortable.

AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet

Yes. Thankfully not everyone who owns a gun is like these weirdos though.

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When the average right winger treats guns like toys it's a good sign for every leftist to also own guns.

Buelldozer

I think nearly everyone in the firearms community realizes how much time and effort Keanu puts into training.

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I'm not in any way trying to defend what he did, but am I missing something? It's written that the teens broke in with the intention to rob the house? Still a planned murder of course, but I think it's important to mention it, they weren't just good Samaritans checking in on a neighbour whose door was left open

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I would love to talk about the amazing mechanics and different approaches guns have to firing an exploding charge to move a mass of metal at supersonic speeds

You need to hang out with gunsmiths. Those are the folks having those kinds of conversations.

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As someone seriously considering their first firearm purchase, my main thought is "I hope this is a gigantic waste of time and money".

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This case is horrible, but you have misrepresented it in your comments. The teens broke a window and entered his house with the intention to rob it—it was not left wide open. The recording devices were turned on because he knew they were robbing the house. His first shots to stop the intruders were legal.

Where the crime occurred is that the original shots did not kill them, and then he executed them after they were downed. He also did not report the bodies for a day.

Don’t get me wrong, dude is a psychopathic asshole, but misrepresenting the series of events doesn’t help anybody.

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Lol I have several guns. Some I don't know if I even have ammo for them at all.

I can't imagine the mindset these types of owners have. They are afraid and they want to murder someone. I can't imagine

Hell, the few rifles I have are stored with the firing bolts removed and locked up separately.

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They weren't, they went over this in the trial.

He became the aggressor when he removed barriers to entry and laid in wait which is a negative defense for self defense.

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This is the absolute truth. I personally know a guy who pulls out a huge roll of money just to buy a $1 pop from a machine at night. He carries, has been for years. He is trying to get someone to mug him. You know why.

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With the premise the OP presented, I expected something worse than what was actually there. It was still horrible, but the impact was lessened for the reasons you listed.

Interesting how someone can manufacture consent like that by shifting your initial view.

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I remember this showing up on Reddit and people sick ass redditors justifying his actions. So sick.

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The kids weren't blameless. But they didn't deserve to die.

GHiLA

Tons of jobs with joke-ass 401ks they wear in their sleeve that they don't match or give any incentive whatsoever for, and hope you'll forget about when you leave.

When my company told us they didn't match, I asked why bother, then found out $25 was mandatory. Hell.

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It's been a long time since I've heard about this case, but my recollection was that he left his garage door open and parked away from his house so it would appear open and unoccupied. I didn't see anything on the Wikipedia page that refutes that.

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Well, good news, a firearm would achieve the exact opposite of protecting you and your loved one from harm.

The epidemiology of self-defense gun use: evidence from the National Crime Victimization Surveys 2007-2011 - PubMed

Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that SDGU is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.

PubMed (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov)

In fact it's the opposite. A firearm is far more likely to be involved in an accidental injury or death of someone in the household than it is going to be used in any form of self defense.

If you want to effectively protect yourself, invest in actual home security measures.