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space, time and money.

Also, I'm not shooting a firearm off in my sub-1-acre suburban neighborhood property.

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What is the bigger problem? Acid attacks or gun crime?

I fix patients who have been shot. Don't lecture me about solving problems.

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That’s not what I’m suggesting. The vast majority of gun owners don’t shoot their guns on their property. I live in a condo.

There are indoor and outdoor ranges all over the United States. If you live in a suburb it’s a safe bet that there is a gun range open to the public within a 20 minute drive of your house. Range access is easy and affordable everywhere in the USA. It doesn’t take an immense money or time commitment to go out and shoot every now and then.

If you buy a firearm, but refuse to learn how to use it, it really will be a waste of money because it won’t be useful to you if the time ever did come to need it. Plus you have an obligation to those around you to own a firearm responsibly. Part of responsible firearm ownership is basic competence with the weapon.

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It is very different than ren faire people showing up in military gear obsolete for hundreds of years, you can kill an entire crowd of people with an assault rifle, a person carrying around a murder weapon of that spontaneous ability to catastrophically induce violence isn't "LARPing" they are normalizing carrying around a murder weapon and being utterly obsessed with it which even if their motivations are innocent provides a nice big smokescreen of normalcy for the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world to hide behind.

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As a former soldier, soldier LARPers make me very uncomfortable.

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Totally fair. Most of these people haven’t experienced combat in any way. I’m just saying the motivation is mostly fun instead of some demented desire to kill.

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you can kill an entire crowd of people with an assault rifle in seconds

You’ve never fired a gun, have you? There is a massive amount of misinformation out there, and that’s not how any modern firearms made for the civilian market (including AR-15s) operate.

they are normalizing carrying around a murder weapon and being utterly obsessed with it

How so? We are talking about people who like to wear gear when they go to the range for fun. Thinking it would be fun to wear a bulletproof vest at the range or wearing NODs so you can shoot at night doesn’t imply any of those things.

even if their motivations are innocent provides a nice big smokescreen of normalcy for the Kyle Rittenhouses of the world to hide behind

How? A range trip isn’t “normalizing” anything nefarious regardless of what you choose to wear to the range. It’s just a range trip.

I am just pointing out how much more lame and uncool this is than ren faire or LARPing stuff

I don’t wear gear to the range but I know folks who do, and also go to faire and belong to a group who likes to fight with foam swords. From my perspective, it’s really the same deal. Dorky/nerdy people who like to dress up for fun. IMO it’s worth giving your fellow humans the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming the worst.

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Yawn. Your personal experience is not reflective of broader trends. If you work in healthcare, you really should be smart enough to know this. So I will lecture you, because you clearly need it. Besides, you haven't refuted any of my points, you just resorted to logical fallacies like appeals to authority and anecdotal evidence. Proof that you don't have anything useful to say anymore. Smh.

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preach! This! couldn't have said it better myself.

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honestly it is the only way they can throw off the bourgeoisie. people who want to deprive the proletariat of guns are class traitors or posers from the bourgeoisie.

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there is a point where peaceful protest is not enough, you realize that, right?

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You’ve never fired a gun, have you? There is a massive amount of misinformation out there, and that’s not how any modern firearms made for the civilian market (including AR-15s) operate.

Yes I have, save your "civilian ar-15s aren't automatic or burst fire so they aren't technically assault rifles or military weapons" nonsense, an assault rifle is more effective and lethal especially in they hands of some panicking chud like Kyle Rittenhouse if it is only capable of single fire except in the case of a driveby style hit. Exhibit A: most modern military doctrines.

I don’t wear gear to the range but I know folks who do, and also go to faire and belong to a group who likes to fight with foam swords. From my perspective, it’s really the same deal.

When was the last time a bunch of rennaisance faire nerds turned on the news and saw that someone else had just murdered 30 kids in a school dressed up in the same kind of costume they all like to wear... with the same brand and model of "foam" sword? ... and then just keep on dressing up in that same costume as the bodies of children keep piling up after school shootings happen over and over again?

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Oh I'm smart enough thank you. Just because you've read ao online guide to logical fallacies, doesn't make my personal experience irrelevant. It makes it an anecdote. That I wrote as food for thought. I dont have a duty to refute anything. This isn't debate class. If you want to do that then why dont we roll back to square one when you mentioned acid attacks as if their prevalence is equal to gun crime in America and that guns would solve the problem somehow. A completely ludicrous claim if ever there was one.

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I really don't think you are smart enough. lol

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I really don't think you would know

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you've given me all the proof I would need lmfao.

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Yes I have

Fooled me. You wouldn’t have said that if you had much experience with guns because it’s patently untrue to anyone who does

save your "civilian ar-15s aren't automatic or burst fire so they aren't technically assault rifles or military weapons" nonsense

What? This is true but that’s not my point at all. I simply don’t care if they are military weapons or not. The entire point of the second amendment for the citizenry to lose a threat against tyranny, which could include the military. Civilian ownership of effective weapons is part and parcel with that.

You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with some preconceived idea of who you assume I am. That already says a lot about your viewpoint.

When was the last time a bunch of rennaisance faire nerds turned on the news and saw that someone else had just murdered 30 kids in a school dressed up in the same kind of costume they all like to wear

Once again. What? You’re acting like school shooters all show up wearing BDUs, NODs and plate carriers which is just wildly wrong.

But, even if we accept for a moment that were true, normal people with healthy viewpoints are capable of separating themselves and their motivations from bad people who just happen to wear the same clothing. I wouldn’t throw out my favorite t-shirt just because someone did something terrible wearing the same type of shirt. Neither would me wearing that shirt somehow normalize shootings like you seem to imagine it would.

If someone went on a stabbing spree with a shun chefs knife I wouldn’t turn around and throw out my favorite kitchen knife because it’s the same model. Nor would I be normalizing stabbings by continuing to chop onions with my favorite knife.

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"I know how to think critically"
insults and belittles

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"I work in health care"
Exhibits the intelligence of a ostrich

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65% Stopped without a gun

34% Stopped with a gun

15ish% of Americans carry sometimes, around 7% always.

Gotta be honest, those numbers are looking pretty good if only 7% of people always carry but 34% of shootings were stopped by one of those 7%. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that a good majority of the remaining 65% weren't stopped with a gun because nobody there had one at the time. Same for the ones that weren't stopped by any bystanders armed or otherwise.

In at least one of those police just stood outside with theirs for two hours.