It's good to hear many Brazilians now find their way to #Mastodon and the #Fediverse. Unfortunately they're mostly lead to mastodon.social because Eugen refuses to fix his app, believing the masses to be either too lazy or stupid to choose for themselv...
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to Jasdemi :fediverse: last edited by
@jasdemi Then it's Eugen's task as app designer and programmer to create a user-enabling welcoming wizard and a simple way to communicate how the Fedi works.
Acting as if the public is too stupid and shielding them from "too complex information" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to Amiel Vieira🦻:v11: :veribi: last edited by
@Ointersexo Oh, now I get what you said. Sorry.
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Offbeatmammalreplied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to Offbeatmammal last edited by
@Offbeatmammal @jasdemi But they do, and building a better app won't solve the onboarding problem of new users given their app is recognized as "official" and chosen first.
A better solution must be accepted and ultimately maintained by them on their git, and Eugen (and his team, supposedly) got the authority over it. So far criticism or recommendations were not recognized, and nobody will create such a complex PR if the suspected outcome is a refusal. Therefore I think the criticism is valid.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by
@Offbeatmammal @jasdemi Perhaps as small context: they're known to refuse a lot of feature (pull) requests already for years.
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Jasdemi :fediverse:replied to Offbeatmammal last edited by
@Offbeatmammal @Natanox This is how the #Fediverse community is usually doing things. Harass and blame one single person for everything (@Gargron in this case).
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to Jasdemi :fediverse: last edited by
@jasdemi @Offbeatmammal @Gargron …I understand where that criticism comes from, but in this case *it's literally in his authority*. Other people wanted to improve, however it's still like this because of him and the authority of the Mastodon gGmbH as maintainer (which he represents and leads).
This is not a witch hunt, please don't make it look like one unless you got proof of it being one.
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@Natanox I created my account on mastodon.social because I didn't knew about instances before.
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@Net02 Most people do, that's part of the problem. Likewise many people only later learn about the federated timeline that exists in almost every client except the "official" Mastodon one.
Despite of the instance thing so easy to explain given an already existing example everyone knows: E-Mail…
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Chris 🤩 Reinbothereplied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by
@Natanox it’s like the folks at Mastodon gGmbH don’t know or haven’t recognised yet that having a decentralised service is one of the key strength of their platform. Other fediverse services have wizards as well — Flipboard being one of them. It is a no-brainer: ask for location, ask some core interests, recommend 2 or 3 instances and several accounts and/or hashtags to follow. Meanwhile explain what instances are, that you can follow anyone on any instance and that # are important.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to Chris 🤩 Reinbothe last edited by
@phneutral So many people are still surprised that you can follow hashtags here.
It's literally the most important feature there is. Follow a single semi-popular hashtag after account creation and your timeline is full of stuff you find interesting (as long as your instance got a few users already).
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Chris 🤩 Reinbothereplied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by
@Natanox Imho it is the best starting point. Period. Suddenly you have posts in your timeline, you see new people to follow that share at least one interest. With hastags the instance you choose becomes less important.
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@Natanox
He could probably have it both ways.
Have a frictionless entrance into the main instance, give them 3-7 days to get used to it, then have a noticeable but not obnoxious panel advertisement saying "Enjoying Mastodon? Click here to explore other servers." or something that hooks you onto the idea in lay terms. -
Chris 🤩 Reinbothereplied to Chris 🤩 Reinbothe last edited by
@Natanox on another note: an advanced wizard could ask which instance policies you would like to have. But before that could happen several core instance policies would have to be standardised. And I think that could be a tasks for Mastodon gGmbH: looking through all the instance policies, analyse them, word key policies and recommend them to instance owners.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to Chris 🤩 Reinbothe last edited by [email protected]
@phneutral There are federated moderation tools in the making, any attempt should probably start there. Also given rules may be changed it would make sense to make them somewhat machine-readable, like using Tags for each Paragraph (those tags could then be entered by the user, with autocompletion this can be realized very user-friendly). That way there's no authority inbetween, each instance simply federates their rules as well as any update to them.
Should be an advanced option though.
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@Paradox Only if the posts get properly transfered as well at some point, otherwise there already is a lock-in effect at play.
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@Natanox
Yeah, account data transfer is one of the biggest issues I have, and also why I only change my main account if the instance it's on goes down (which has only happened twice).
There needs to be a system for doing that. Problem is, I assume the admin/mod of an instance would want to okay the transfer, to make sure that the content they're gonna host isn't too much and doesn't contain anything against their rules.
Which shouldn't be much of an issue for a normal user that's only had an account for a week or so. Would be harder for someone that posts a lot of media. Text posts can be easily searched for spicy keywords, at least. -
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] let's you transfer posts: it even let's you bring posts from a mastodon instance to a sharkey instance.
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@Paradox @183231bcb As far as I know it simply reposts every single post, which is *really* bad. Right now ActivityPub doesn't support moving posts and there's basically nothing to do about it until the protocol gets an upgrade (they're working on it as far as I'm aware).