"Vance won against Tim Walz if you don't care about his lies."
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Karen Kreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy JD Vance is the Candace Owens of Appalachia.
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Runyan50replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Yes, regular voters identify more with Walz because he seems genuine and Vance is a slick used car salesman. I don’t see how Vance won any new votes with his obvious@lies on the ACA and climate change.
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Runyan50replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Vance literally lied his ass off and appeared to be an ambulance chasing lawyer.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Ross Douthat of the New York Times had written his verdict on last night’s VP debate, and had it proofread, edited, and posted on the Times’s web site, by the time the debate reached its midway point. Impres sive clairvoyance! By then he apparently had seen enough to declare JD Vance the runaway winner, thanks to what the item’s headline called Vance’s 'Dominant Debate Performance.'”
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting #NewYorkTimes
/19Election Countdown, 33 Days to Go: Did We Learn Anything from the VP Debate?
Yes. In ways the debaters probably did not anticipate.
(fallows.substack.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Ross Douthat (/19) thinks that Vance "won" the debate because he was "dominant." The framing by mainstream media — winning/losing, dominance/submission — tells us much about what's awry at a deep level with the corporate media right now. There's an inbuilt bias to see Vance as "reasonable" and "dominant" and a "winner" because he mirrors to manymedia types what they imagine themselves to be.
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting #NewYorkTimes
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Vance is, after all, their creation. Douthat's New York Times played a major role in lifting him from obscurity when he published his hillbilly elegy book. The media made an insubstantial and politically retrogressive book appear to be brilliant and insightful. Vance is slick, well-spoken but mendacious, precisely because many of those in the media who have lifted him to fame have — and cherish — those very same traits.
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting #NewYorkTimes
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Greengordonreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
The NYT should not be considered a serious newspaper. It's an outlet for the owner's right-wing agenda, as all billionaire or corporate-owned media seems to be.
"Ross Douthat of the New York Times had written his verdict on last night’s VP debate, and had it proofread, edited, and posted on the Times’s web site, by the time the debate reached its midway point.#
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"I am also struck today by the fact that in the wake of January 6, 2021, Trump’s Republican Party appears to have successfully cultivated an entire generation of completely soulless, election-denying psychopaths, who have absolutely no regard for the truth, or our democracy."
~ D. Earl Stephens
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting #NewYorkTimes
/22LIAR, LIAR
The sad truth about JD Vance and Tuesday night's vice-presidential debate ...
(dearlstephens.substack.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Last night JD Vance, late of cat-lady and pet-eating fame, slid into a normie skinsuit. …
This was the fourth version of JD Vance to appear in public life."
~ Jonathan V. Last
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/23JD Vance 4.0 Is Here
The latest upgrade to JDos aims for a chaotic-good character alignment. Not sure how well MAGA is going to take to that.
(www.thebulwark.com)
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Alarodreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Donald: They were always soulless and degenerate and they always hated democracy! I just organized them into a Legion!
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"Vance’s civil, even friendly demeanor, presented while calmly lying through his teeth, is a chilling portent of an Orwellian future beyond Trump."
~ Jay Kuo
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/24The Prince of Lies
The biggest takeaway from the debate is the horseshit Vance was shoveling while he smiled.
(statuskuo.substack.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"JD Vance is a good debater because he is a smooth and confident liar. He looks directly into the camera with a benign expression and lies over and over again. If you win a debate by lying, the American people are the ones who really lose."
~ Ella Dawson quoted by Jay Kuo
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Prior to Tuesday night’s debate, the moderators—CBS Evening News anchor Norah O’Donnell and Face the Nation host Margaret Brennan—made a commitment to allow Vance to lie."
~ John Nichols
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Runyan50replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy It proved he is as big a liar as Trump. If he lies about 2020, what else is he lying about? What else will he lie about to the American people?
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Aloniaxxreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy "lord of the lies"....to parody the famous book and film...
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Trump and Vance thrive on the fragmentation of America created by the collapse of the media. And so they treat the media as a performance of power."
~ Marcy Wheeler
It's about dominance, to quote Ross Douthat. Douthat loves seeing Trump and Vance dominate, because he imagines he's the dominant type of man, too. But it's not just Douthat. This admiration for dominance runs through the media.
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/26The "Truth" about JD Vance - emptywheel
Last night's debate is not going to affect the election. But I think JD Vance did what he needed, for his own wildly ambitious goals: He doubled down on undermining democracy, and ratcheted up the professionalism of Trump's attack on truth.
emptywheel (www.emptywheel.net)
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Alarodreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Douthat: I love Big Brother!
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"The Trump campaign was successful in getting two of the three debates to not allow fact checking on air (I still can’t believe this happened at all). The one where they were not able to get that agreed to Trump got crushed."
~ Simon Rosenberg
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/27Gov Walz Earnestly Made His Case And Landed Meaningful Blows, JD Vance Was An Odious Liar and Extremist. It Is October Now - Let's Keep Working Hard All!
I talk to Hopium paid subscribers today at 4pm ET, we make calls/postcard Tmr 715pm ET For Adam Gray (CA-13)
(www.hopiumchronicles.com)
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Runyan50replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Everyone in the United States, including most older children, know that both Trump and Vance lie every day about everything. This is why they have a vote ceiling. At least for now, less than half of Americans are lying criminals. Don’t know if this Country is worth saving or not with that many criminals.
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Human after allreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy no