"Vance won against Tim Walz if you don't care about his lies."
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"If there is a 'sound bite' that will define the debate, it is when Tim Walz said that JD Vance gave a 'damning non-answer' in refusing to acknowledge that Donald Trump lost in 2020."
~ Robert B. Hubbell
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"The moments from this debate that are going to resonate were all JD Vance errors.
Walz, just nailing the moment, interjected 'that’s a damning non-answer.;
That was the critical moment when the mask slipped. Vance lied about Trump’s economic record and his health care record and his abortion record."
~ Dave Karpf
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/9JD Vance couldn't *quite* gaslight the audience for the full 90 minutes.
The format favored Vance, but he couldn't make it the whole way without being creepy and weird.
(davekarpf.substack.com)
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Julie Hughesreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy OOOOhhhh, I was using "smarmy" but "sleazy, oily, adept liar" is SO MUCH better, I think I'll switch!
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"He offered ludicrous non-answers on housing and climate change. And all of those lies and nonsense helped prop up his broader gaslight-narrative goal."
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Philip Cardellareplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy this is the core of debate me bro bro culture.
By no means are all people who love performative bull shit fascists.
But all fascists love performative bull shit.
I'm just saying.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"The moments that did stand out in the debate put a spotlight on Vance’s tenuous relationship with the truth. When Vance lied again about the migrants in Springfield, Ohio, who are in the United States legally, Brennan added: 'Just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status.'
Vance responded: 'The rules were that you guys weren't going to fact-check.'”
~ Heather Cox Richardson
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"On the debate stage, facing two audiences—the people of the United States on one hand, and Trump on the other—Vance refused to acknowledge that Trump lost.
That moment tells you the most important thing about Vance: When democracy is in peril, he will bow to Trump, not to the people or the Constitution. He must never be given that chance."
~ Will Saletan
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/12The One Question That Mattered in the VP Debate
JD Vance failed to reject Trump’s lies about the 2020 election. He can’t be trusted to protect democracy.
(www.thebulwark.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Corporate media continues to reveal its inability to meet the moment. CBS News was again worked by bad faith right wing actors and refused to fact-check the numerous lies spewed by Vance over the course of 90 minutes. The one time they did, Vance replied, 'The rules were you guys weren't going to fact check.' Sit with that for a second. That’s the current state of our political media."
~ Wajahat Ali
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/13VP Debate Analysis: Too Much Midwestern Nice, Not Enough Fight
Mehdi Hasan and I discuss our thoughts about the VP debate and give our feedback and critique on the lack of moderation and how Walz could have attacked Trump -Vance and made a better case.
(thelefthook.substack.com)
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Chill Arrowreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Would the "Fairness Doctrine" stop this insanity?
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Kamala Harris News Group 2.0replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @mastodonmigration Message box newsletter is great!
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Kamala Harris News Group 2.0 last edited by
@KamalaHarrisWin @mastodonmigration Yes, really good commentary there.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Chill Arrow last edited by
@Starbrother That's definitely worth thinking and talking about, it seems to me.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Philip Cardella last edited by
@philip_cardella I agree. And a whole bunch of our media gurus are infatuated with that culture, so that slick and polished, even when it takes absolute flight from truth and reality, "wins" in their minds. And that says a lot about the loss of a moral core in some key segments of our media culture.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Julie Hughes last edited by
@juliehuz Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?
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@vruz Seems that's going around, definitely.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"The polls are all currently showing that there’s no clear winner in last night’s debate, and that actually tells us a lot given Vance’s overall slickness. If he had remotely convinced anyone that he wasn’t a threat to reproductive rights, or wasn’t entirely full of shit across the board, he’d probably be doing a lot better."
~ Robyn Pennacchia
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/14JD Vance Didn't Fool Anybody With His Slick Rick 'Empathy' On Abortion
But we're going to need Democrats to be more clear on what 'palliative care' is.
(www.wonkette.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Claiming Trump won in 2020 remains a litmus test for Republican candidates everywhere, and Vance was not about to fail that test on a national stage with Trump himself live-tweeting the debate. It confirmed for a national TV audience that Vance remains under the sway of Trump’s cultish demand that his supporters embrace his alternate reality."
~ David Kurtz
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/15Tim Walz Lowers The Boom On JD Vance Over Jan. 6
INSIDE: Donald Trump ... Jack Smith ... Kamala Smith
(morningmemo.talkingpointsmemo.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"JD Vance is famous in large part because The New York Times absolutely adores promoting fresh-faced white male conservatives who halfheartedly and unconvincingly conceal their racism."
~ Jamison Foser
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting #NewYorkTimes
/16None of us should even know who JD Vance is
How did this meritless husk of a man end up in a vice presidential debate?
(www.findinggravity.net)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Why is it important to understand how Vance happened? Because the guy is a deeply racist and sexist autocrat on the cusp of power — and he got here in large part because some of the most powerful and influential people in academia, news media, entertainment, and tech saw something in him they were desperate to promote."
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting #NewYorkTimes
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