Demanding a pronoun is like demanding a burka.

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Rhynoplaz

Not at all.

Demanding a pronoun is like demanding that someone call you by your name.

Demanding a burka is like demanding someone else respond to whatever pronoun YOU want to call them.

One is demanding that people refer to you the way you want to be referred. The other is forcing something into someone else.

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I suggest you try being forced to wear a burka all day every day before saying things like that.

I'm certain most women in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan would happily let you call them she, he, they, it or whatever else you want provided you let them take off their burkas.

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Who the fuck demands people present pronouns? You either do it, or you accept either sometimes being misgendered or getting an indeterminate "they".

Or are you just trying to start the new year bitching about people insisting on common courtesy after helpfully specifying their own preferred pronouns?

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That does assume that the person wearing the burka is doing so because they are forced to.

This is not universally true and thus the comparison you make is also not true.

Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-24/why-do-muslim-women-wear-a-burka-niqab-or-hijab/5761510

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I think OP meant you using the wrong pronoun when talking to someone who would rather you didn't is akin to imprisoning that someone into a burka.

Which clearly is something someone in the first world without too many problems in life would say.

Rhynoplaz

The term "demanding" led me to that assumption.

If someone wants to wear one, that's fine, and irrelevant to this conversation. I was referring to people who are forced to wear one despite their wishes.

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Whatever you just said is like demanding a burka. It's performative stupid.

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What do you think a pronoun is?

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It's like a noun, but for pros!

Rhynoplaz

Oh, maybe I misunderstood. If that's the case, I guess that's at least a more accurate comparison than what I thought they meant.

I thought they meant that someone asking them to use a preferred pronoun was like forcing them to wear a burka.

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I don't understand the whole controversy of pronouns. If a person says "Hey, call me this instead of this" that's fine. I don't have to go out my way to do what you request. If it bothers people to go against the "ebb and flow" on something so simple, then that's their personal problem.

However comparing it to a burka, then it almost seems like the opposite side having an issue with people who don't adhere to your standard. the whole argument is completely asinine because I don't understand why it's should matter and why people that prefer something besides their default pronoun get so upset about what other people think.

We as individual people have too much shit on our plate as it is. Why are you going to get mad because someone that you could easily remove from your life (because you don't like them for a possible myriad of reasons) has spited you? Live your own life and stop getting mad about how others live there's.

Now with that being said, I've never had a family member that I love come out requesting a different pronoun beside default (also i personally think saying "default" is the best way to approach it), so i can't say exactly how I would react.

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It's really easy, say your name is Tom, and I start calling you Stacy all the time, you're going to get bothered by it eventually at best
Or downright fuming at worst. It literally takes you nothing to use the right nouns/pronouns.

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Could you elaborate, please? to discard any misinterpretation.

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But if it's a requested change, how put out are you by it? It's still the same human that you respect and appreciate. And if you respect and appreciate them, you'd adhere to their request. That's what loyalty is

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Nice b8 m8

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Not put out at all. Even if I don't respect and appreciate them. I will use the name they want. Loyalty has nothing to do with this.

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Demanding that a person speak a certain way is like demanding that a person dress a certain way.

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Are you implying that a pronoun is an item of clothing?

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Speak this word or I'll be upset

Wear this thing or I'll be upset

You gotta admid it's a pretty good parallel