...I will defend to the death your right to say it.

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People that are in favor of legal censorship of political speech make the mistake of assuming that the laws will always be applied to censor the speech that they find objectionable or harmful.. As soon as you start allowing the gov't to determine what speech is and is not acceptable, that power will be used to oppress whatever the currently disfavored group is. The words themselves are not the harm; it's the actions that can arise from the words.

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This is like saying guns don't kill people

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It's your inability to differentiate between political speech and hate speech that's the problem

In modern societies, we're happy with the government banning the latter and not the former

In undeveloped countries like the US, their toddler-level reading skills prevent them from knowing which one's which

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I feel like it's more that centrists enable Nazis than are like them. It's not bad per se but it isn't good either.

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As a US citizen, I wish I could upvote you more.

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Political speech can involve hate.

Political disagreement, or any other disagreement that does not involve hate and harm should not be in question.

You’re welcome to hate Biden or Trump. You’re not welcome to threaten to kill your political opponent’s supporters.

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You cannot apply the paradox of tolerance without understanding the outcome. You are also making it an either:or choice - don’t censor vs lose control of all free speech.

This is false, and stems from the assumption that there is a victory only one way or the other.

There is no victory in any form of governance seeking to hold a middle ground for any aspect of society. Whether it be preventing a slide into fascism, oligarchy, racism, repression, whatever.

It is a constant battle that must be fought every single time an issue becomes a problem. No, not all speech is acceptable. But we should also aggressively protect the speech that is acceptable even if we don’t like it. If we can’t do that, then we’ve lost for different reasons.

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Hate speech is not "saying that you hate something"...

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Strawman. You're implying that OP believes hate speech can't encroach on the freedom of others. Nothing in their post leads me to believe they think that.

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That’s not what I said.

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I also would like a reasonable amount of wars.

The reasonable amount of wars just happens to be 0.

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Political speech can involve hate.

Not in a modern society

Political disagreement, or any other disagreement that does not involve hate and harm should not be in question.

It never has been

You’re welcome to hate Biden or Trump.

I make a point of not hating anyone too old to control their bladder

You’re not welcome to threaten to kill your political opponent’s supporters.

Yes, that's the idea

I've not got a clue what point you're making

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Seems like you got the idea.

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Government censorship isn't just a ban on speech currently deemed to be hateful. It is also an endorsement of speech they currently believe to be political.

The problem should be wildly apparent when we realize that governments around the world have a long and colorful history of making "political speech" that is only later determined to be hateful.

Even "Good" presidents in our recent past have held positions that, in hindsight, are dehumanizing, abhorrent and vile. Our entire "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy for example.

Our incoming president has indicated his intention to treat immigrants as enemy combatants. He plans to deport adults who have lived their entire lives in the US if he determines their parents did not adequately prove their legal presence in the US. He has determined that this racist position is "political speech".

Government has no fucking business deciding what is and is not protected speech.

One important caveat: there is a difference between "speech" and "violence". Threats may be spoken, but threats are not speech. Threats should be prosecuted, not censored.

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I actually don't care about politics. "BuT It aFfEcTs yOu tOo, YoU HaVe tO FoLlOw tHe lAwS ThAt gEt mAdE"

Bitch do you think i follow the laws that already exist? Mind your own business i'll mind mine.

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Yeah! When I'm driving I make sure to constantly change lanes WITH NO BLINKERS cause fuck the establishment! Just swerving back and forth cause your fucking paint lines can't control me.

Don't even fucking get me started on school speed zones.

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Yes please get pissy about it! That's the spirit!

God you political types are so predictable

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SaYs tHe OnE wHo TyPeD lIkE ThIs

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not taking a side, is taking the side of inaction, which will inevitably result in oligarchy. You can say you don't care, withdraw, and refuse to participate, but don't pretend like it's not an active participation. You're actively in this life, you're just choosing to let the wrong team win.

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This is moral purists lashing out with hyperbole since the Israel/Hamas ceasefire has castrated their big issue. They have to pretend letting Trump win by refusing to vote for Harris cuz she "supported genocide" was still the right thing to do, and they weren't just being impatient toddlers demanding a cookie RIGHT NOW OR ELSE.