So, assuming I'm not interested in answers like "neither!
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Armando :rick:replied to gulfkiwi last edited by [email protected]
@gulfkiwi Bluesky offered a familiar experience (no need to know what an "instance" is) and is easy to use. Like Threads, it's aimed at the general population but has customizable feeds unlike Threads which only has one option: pure engagement bait.
Mastodon specifically, has a history of mass harassment campaigns that go into literal crimes against the infidels who deviate from the One True Way of building on ActivityPub (the Mastodon way). It keeps a lot of people away from the fediverse in general. See wedistribute.org/2024/03/contentnation-mastodons-toxicity/ -
Armando :rick:replied to Armando :rick: last edited by [email protected]
@gulfkiwi although I'm more interested in ActivityPub because it's a W3C standard and is more mature. We'll see where ATProto goes.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] Oh, I've seen a lot of gatekeeping, a lot...
And the problem is that it is the perception non-users have of Mastodon now. Seriously, I even think the Fediverse has a Mastodon problem more and more and that Mastodon is the main thing preventing the Fediverse from being more widely adopted. -
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@gulfkiwi @DavidBHimself you say that as if Mastodon isn’t angry, hateful and spreading disinformation & misinformation daily lol just look at the Bluesky, Threads hashtags or discussions about Gaza or AI
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@gulfkiwi @DavidBHimself Has nothing to do with community owned software, I guess you use Mastodon to escape the mass Black and Brown people since we are making generalisations. The culture isn’t geared toward Black and Brown folks it’s not geared towards poor people nor young people. It actively chased away Black and Brown people that attempted to migrate in mass where Bluesky welcomed them especially Black women. Mastodon has algorithms including anything trending. Most of the custom feeds on Bluesky are made by the community and not devs, users actually own their identities there and don’t have to self host an instance to do so.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋 last edited by
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@gulfkiwi @BeAware The reasons I've been given/observed: a more familiar interface (it looks more like Twitter); easier to get started (it has a few nice onboarding features that Mastodon does not); less nerdy; less scoldy and lecturing. Those last two come up a lot. Seems many people joined Mastodon, found it to be quite severe in tone, often getting "scolded" (that term comes up a lot) for various things. The experience on BS is lighter in tone; more liberal and forgiving.
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@hallenbeck @BeAware The strange thing is that I didn't find the onboarding experience to be materially different between the two EXCEPT that BlueSky doesn't (yet) have multiple instances. I don't even see the interface as being much different. I'm perplexed by the visceral reaction the BlueSky folks have to Mastodon. A couple of good friends have given reactions that cannot be interpreted as anything other than "ewww communism" because mastodon isn't owned.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to gulfkiwi last edited by
@gulfkiwi @hallenbeck oh, mastodon is DEFINITELY *owned*. Not sure where the idea that it's not, came from...
It's owned by Mastodon Gmbh and with that, Eugen Rochko...they're in control of how every mastodon user interacts with the wider Fediverse and can change that at any time without your permission.
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gulfkiwireplied to BeAware :fediverse: last edited by
@BeAware @hallenbeck mastodon is AGPL-licensed. Anyone can fork it. There's a governance structure for "mastodon" but I don't see that as any different than something like the nixos foundation: the community can take the platform wherever they want.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to gulfkiwi last edited by
@gulfkiwi @hallenbeck sure, but how many of us are on forks?
Naivety only goes so far.
Mastodon Gmbh *is* in control here for the most part.
You can fork it, but there's very few who have done so with any major changes.
Forking is only good if it's actually done.