So, assuming I'm not interested in answers like "neither!
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@[email protected] @[email protected] There are a few judgmental idiots here. The "HOA" that tries to dictate how Mastodon and the Fediverse should be used, the Leftist Taliban, and a few more groups who are easy to avoid when you know how to use the place, but who give the place a bad name from the outside. The worst part being that they like it gives the place a bad name. The last thing they want is for the Fediverse to grow and thrive. They want it to remain a small thing just for them. And they're succeeding I'm afraid seeing the adaption rate of these past few months.
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David B. Himselfreplied to BeAware :fediverse: last edited by
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You're doing it too, right here.
I have zero trust in the company either, but don't diss the tool without using it. It is a great tool, really.
And it doesn't have to be one OR the other.
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@DavidBHimself @BeAware I don't disagree there are unpleasant folks here but I've never seen it as really gatekeeping and no different from the usual town jerks you find in any big community. About the only thing I've found here is a very "we will not be twitter again" vibe that tends to lean pretty hard on people who just come to fight--and I came from activist-left-twitter so I'm used to just omg hyperobsessive combat with today's Main Character.
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@DavidBHimself I think that's a very fair answer. I have sort of sniffed at the folks I know over there who insist there is no algorithm, even though there absolutely is one (with custom feeds evidencing it) that will become dominant as soon as the investors sink their fangs in.
I just never really understood why someone would choose Bluesky over Mastodon other than a deep-seated distrust of community-owned software. It's very odd.
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@DavidBHimself I do have to laugh though. Friends told me "come to Bluesky! we're nice!" Didn't take five minutes before someone was yelling at me for not being sufficiently angry about whatever was on the menu that day, lol.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to David B. Himself last edited by
@DavidBHimself @paninid @gulfkiwi I don't need to use it because I see how they're doing things and I don't like it. It's my own personal opinion. Feel free to disagree, but my opinion can't be wrong, it's an opinion.
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Armando :rick:replied to gulfkiwi last edited by [email protected]
@gulfkiwi Bluesky offered a familiar experience (no need to know what an "instance" is) and is easy to use. Like Threads, it's aimed at the general population but has customizable feeds unlike Threads which only has one option: pure engagement bait.
Mastodon specifically, has a history of mass harassment campaigns that go into literal crimes against the infidels who deviate from the One True Way of building on ActivityPub (the Mastodon way). It keeps a lot of people away from the fediverse in general. See wedistribute.org/2024/03/contentnation-mastodons-toxicity/ -
Armando :rick:replied to Armando :rick: last edited by [email protected]
@gulfkiwi although I'm more interested in ActivityPub because it's a W3C standard and is more mature. We'll see where ATProto goes.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] Oh, I've seen a lot of gatekeeping, a lot...
And the problem is that it is the perception non-users have of Mastodon now. Seriously, I even think the Fediverse has a Mastodon problem more and more and that Mastodon is the main thing preventing the Fediverse from being more widely adopted. -
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@gulfkiwi @DavidBHimself you say that as if Mastodon isn’t angry, hateful and spreading disinformation & misinformation daily lol just look at the Bluesky, Threads hashtags or discussions about Gaza or AI
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@gulfkiwi @DavidBHimself Has nothing to do with community owned software, I guess you use Mastodon to escape the mass Black and Brown people since we are making generalisations. The culture isn’t geared toward Black and Brown folks it’s not geared towards poor people nor young people. It actively chased away Black and Brown people that attempted to migrate in mass where Bluesky welcomed them especially Black women. Mastodon has algorithms including anything trending. Most of the custom feeds on Bluesky are made by the community and not devs, users actually own their identities there and don’t have to self host an instance to do so.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋 last edited by
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@gulfkiwi @BeAware The reasons I've been given/observed: a more familiar interface (it looks more like Twitter); easier to get started (it has a few nice onboarding features that Mastodon does not); less nerdy; less scoldy and lecturing. Those last two come up a lot. Seems many people joined Mastodon, found it to be quite severe in tone, often getting "scolded" (that term comes up a lot) for various things. The experience on BS is lighter in tone; more liberal and forgiving.
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@hallenbeck @BeAware The strange thing is that I didn't find the onboarding experience to be materially different between the two EXCEPT that BlueSky doesn't (yet) have multiple instances. I don't even see the interface as being much different. I'm perplexed by the visceral reaction the BlueSky folks have to Mastodon. A couple of good friends have given reactions that cannot be interpreted as anything other than "ewww communism" because mastodon isn't owned.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to gulfkiwi last edited by
@gulfkiwi @hallenbeck oh, mastodon is DEFINITELY *owned*. Not sure where the idea that it's not, came from...
It's owned by Mastodon Gmbh and with that, Eugen Rochko...they're in control of how every mastodon user interacts with the wider Fediverse and can change that at any time without your permission.
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gulfkiwireplied to BeAware :fediverse: last edited by
@BeAware @hallenbeck mastodon is AGPL-licensed. Anyone can fork it. There's a governance structure for "mastodon" but I don't see that as any different than something like the nixos foundation: the community can take the platform wherever they want.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to gulfkiwi last edited by
@gulfkiwi @hallenbeck sure, but how many of us are on forks?
Naivety only goes so far.
Mastodon Gmbh *is* in control here for the most part.
You can fork it, but there's very few who have done so with any major changes.
Forking is only good if it's actually done.