The AI revolution is coming

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It’s artificial as in fake, not man-made and it’s been that way since the 70’s

'Artificial' isn't the part of it that's in question, lol. And computing has been around since way before the 70s.

AI has always been about faking decision making

That isn't intelligence.

adversarial AI in a video game or a chat bot

are examples of A but not I.

this semantic argument crap has just been annoying.

Agreed. Words have meanings, and while we fuck it up a lot by not understanding the meaning or by some marketing department deliberately using the wrong words to sell something to people who don't know any better, but none of that means the words don't have meanings.

Unless we're going with the whole "we've used it incorrectly long enough that that's what it means now cuz language evooooolves!" shit, and honestly, maybe we have crossed that line, but that shit's above my paygrade.

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Both can be bad, right?

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Not overvalued exactly. I believe the main point is they claimed to have used much much less power to train it, and that it demonstrates equivalent capability on much much less power.

There’s been a huge stock bubble on speculation of near infinite demand for datacenters, and NVidia processors. If DeepSeek’s claims are true, they just popped that bubble. We don’t suddenly need so many new datacenters. Demand for NVidia processors is not infinite, and their stock price is excessive compared to reality

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Now is just as speculative a time to buy as yesterday. Stocks are unstable. Maybe someone will prove DeepSeek lied and stocks will explode again. Maybe they’ll be proven true and stocks will drop much more.

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Buying the dip tends to work when the stock drops below actual value or below their peers, when there’s reason to expect some sort of regression to the norm.

We’re currently still in bubble territory. This is more speculation, more gambling. You only have reason to expect more wild swings

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It also open source.

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Sure, except in this case one isn't.

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Change happens very slowly then all at once - unknown, to me. I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole, it's 0330

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Yeah, come to China

China's psychiatric treatment for ‘trouble-makers’

Student among dozens who challenged China’s authorities to have been sent to psychiatric units, BBC finds.

BBC News (www.bbc.co.uk)

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Yikes, which one?

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Some of you seriously need to stop living and dying by a daily heat map. We're at levels that we were at months ago. Anybody who bought months ago is doing fine. Learn to zoom out.

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The one that raised the standard of living for more people, produces more green energy than the other, the one that has a worker lead democracy, the one that doesn't pretend they have ever been the greatest country, the one that does exclusively produce countries with school shooters...

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Chinese ChatGPT outperforms

On par with

on cheaper and less powerful chips as well.

Trained for less money on weaker hardware

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Question: Stock rises as a result of its perceived value correct? So if a stock drops below its actual value, and many traders, having the knowledge that it's better to buy the dip when a stock drops below actual value or their peers, buy the dip, isn't it guaranteed that the stock rises?

I don't know how the stock market works, so this might be a dumb question.

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As someone who is rather new to the topic: I have a GPU with 16 GB VRAM and only recently installed Ollama. Which size should I use for Deepseek R1?

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Not long until those articles are written about the USA.

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It’s a good question, but stocks are a lot less logical than you may think. Bubble stocks, especially, are very emotion driven, very much FOMO.

For “boring” stocks, there are statistical models using all sort of financial data about the company, including things like assets, sales trends, new product predictions. Those stock’s prices will appear logical and relatively stable/predictable, but will make significant jumps either way as news comes out that may affect it. Investors buy or sell based on what they predict will happen, and make money if they get it right.

But for “exciting” stocks, this model doesn’t work as well anymore. The stock price is driven more by what people expect it will be in the future. Take Tesla stock as a great example. The price is sky high compared to the value of the company or its sales, very much unlike other car manufacturers what do you do when it’s still a minor company in vehicles sold, but the total stock value is far higher than any other? The CEO has made made some extremely ambitious predictions, that may justify the stock price, but are those predictions really going to happen? You may have heard in the news about investors “shorting” Tesla stock, usually represented as people who don’t believe in the future. The thing is, these were usually investors looking at the actual value of the company, the actual sales, even actual predictions of sales and deciding this does not justify that kind of stock price. They’ve usually been wrong and lost money, because the stock is not fact-driven, but emotion-driven.

What is your perceived value of a stock? What is your prediction of how it will change in the future, based on how well the company is run, what their products, sales, and support are like, how their industry may change, and news that may affect them? For an established, stable stock, you can predict enough to reliably make money, but changes will be small so you won’t make a lot. For a new stock driven by hype, with the potential to revolutionize an industry, predictions are more like a gamble, more based on emotion than fact. However stock price changes in both directions will be big, so investors can make or lose a lot of money very fast, depending on timing.

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Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation

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The techbro authoritarian society is coming.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/technology/artificial-intelligence/fears-surge-about-panopticon-after-tech-exec-makes-eerie-remark-about-ai-surveillance/ar-AA1xKneg

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Okay here we go.

Define intelligence for me please