You know I didn't expect a phone call at 6:00 AM about voting for #KamalaHarris & #TimWalz against #DonaldTrump & #JDVance to protect " #Democracy ", while they don't give a damn about people from #Palestine literally being sent to a fucking Holocaust ...
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Howard Strutt last edited by
@howards @Faithslayer202
I think we all agree that there are issues with Israeli government policy right now, though I don't know that we agree on everything.I think the only disagreement we have is that I'm saying, if we want to get anywhere on this, we need Kamala Harris to get elected, because if we don't get her elected, the entire movement is basically over.
Under Harris we can make change. Under Trump there will be no one left to save.
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Nathaniel Gregoryreplied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by
No. I've shown 13 examples where #KamalaHarris won't be beneficial for us as she's used the law to crackdown on #Palestinian & #Climate Protesters, even ignore judges at some instances and literally has been VP under the party that has blocked right to #Strike, #Deport Immigrants more than #DonaldTrump and has shown no interest in stopping the fucking #Genocide as the #Democrats refuse to do #BDS, #ArmsEmbargo or even stop sending #Israel weapons to us on #Gaza & #Palestine!
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Elan Hassonreplied to Nathaniel Gregory last edited by
@Faithslayer202 @Raccoon @howards Can you explain how trump would help what you want to accomplish?
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Howard Struttreplied to Nathaniel Gregory last edited by
@Faithslayer202 @Raccoon …what do you think Iran and its proxies would do if the US stopped supporting Israel? Not Netanyahu who the Biden administration are clearly not happy with…but Israel? What would others besides the Palestinians (who state Israel has no right to exist) do? You want an end to this conflict? Tell HAMAS to surrender today and return the hostages….
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Nathaniel Gregoryreplied to Elan Hasson last edited by
He fucks up everything and he'll hand power to America's rival.
The fact that no one can even do a bare minimum, like leverage your vote by withholding it until the #Democrats will listen and earn peoples #vote, shows that literally #Liberals are no different to a fascist cos the #Genocide is beneficial to the core principles of #Liberalism.
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Elan Hassonreplied to Nathaniel Gregory last edited by
@Faithslayer202 @Raccoon @howards
I love that you're passionate about your beliefs! I think it's great you are this engaged at your age. I wish I had been the same when I was younger.
We agree on trump it seems.
This election could very well be the last one if Trump wins. This is NOT hyperbole. He's said it many times himself.
This is the same thing as having to put the oxygen mask on yourself prior to putting it on your child on the airplane.
Vote accordingly 🫡
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Nathaniel Gregoryreplied to Howard Strutt last edited by
The hostages were used as a reason to go after the 200,000+ families, babies & children in #Palestine.
#Israel propped up Hamas to blow up #Palestinian citizens without the care in the world for the Zionist Project to expand. So stop with the hostage crap, they are used to shield the fact that the #Israeli people are literally pushing for a complete take over of #Gaza for their colonial project & interest.
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Elan Hasson last edited by [email protected]
@elan @Faithslayer202 @howards
On the oxygen mask comment, I do need to stress, a lot of marginalized groups are really relying on Kamala Harris to win this election, simply so we can stay in the public space and not become further embattled on our own rights....and we are some of the most hardcore supporters of Peace in Palestine and environmentalism.
If Trump wins, I don't think we'll be able to keep showing up like that. That is simply a reality.
"Withholding your vote" in protest isn't going to do anything other than help Trump get elected.
By not voting for Kamala Harris, you're throwing your own allies under the bus.
We need to protect ourselves before we can go out and protect other people.
...and once again, I have followed both candidates, and have no doubt Kamala Harris will be open to de-escalation while Trump will most definitely make everything worse.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Nathaniel Gregory last edited by
@Faithslayer202 @howards
I agree wholeheartedly that Netanyahu and his cronies are a serious problem. I have been against them since he was elected in the 2000s. Before I became disabled, I went to protests against them, and advocated directly to people within the government to withhold support.None of that is being argued against by anyone.
The argument here is whether throwing away your vote is going to at all help Palestine, in an election where one candidate says he wants to shoot protesters and wipe out the palestinians, while the other candidate keeps talking up the right to protest when protesters show up at her own rallies, and has repeatedly signaled that her patience has run out with Netanyahu, and is a member of the party where at least 2/3 of the representatives would be up for much stronger measures to press for a ceasefire, AND when the ability of your own allies (queer, jewish, and other marginalized groups) rides entirely on the outcome.
Don't throw your own movement under the bus.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Nathaniel Gregory last edited by
@Faithslayer202 @howards
You keep linking this stuff, as if we haven't already read it all, but it only makes it more clear you don't want to listen.And I think that is the problem that is destroying the Peace in Palestine movement right now: y'all don't want to listen to what your Queer allies are saying, what our Jewish allies are saying, or even what Palestinians are saying.
Y'all just want to be angry and pretend that you're actually going to be involved, and I seriously wonder how many of you have actually gotten out and done something.
Once again, all we are asking you to do is stop shouting over us, and stop throwing us under the bus.
Stop throwing queer people under the bus. We are your allies.
Stop throwing Jewish people under the bus. They are our allies.
Stop throwing Palestinians under the bus. They are the group the rest of us are aiming to protect.
We have all literally been begging you for months to just stop for 5 seconds, listen, and think about what we are saying.
