I really by and large have mostly lost faith that anything short of a miracle will get #ActivityPub to where I would like it to be, and the forces working against success here are just hard to even look at
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@[email protected] it's sad and frustrating. Are you still working on FeatherPub?
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@jdp23 Yes, but slowly. Reevaluating my approach right now on it and how I want to manage it going forward. Which may be more public and more aggressive or it may be a completely different direction, or it may be just focusing on my own project first and worrying about the compatibility layer later.
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smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)replied to Hrefna (DHC) on last edited by
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@[email protected] There's a lot to be said for worrying about the compatibility layer later. It's such a bizarre situation ... the 2022/2023 adoption had so many people with deep distributed systems experience, and while there are some very encouraging projects (Letterbook for example, and the data portability stuff Lisa Dussault has been working on) the overall ActivityPub ecosystem has really failed to capitalize.
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smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)replied to Jon on last edited by
(Thought to reply to @r14c on "effective community organizing" and in context of something I just tooted about: https://social.coop/@smallcircles/112703937803616187
But I feel burnt out. Refraining from making these arguments again. )
Wrt. FeatherPub I'd recommend organizing such that you keep decent level of control on evolving the spec. In a similar way to e.g. ATProto take a greenfield approach, learn from the past, be open to feedback, but otherwise make decisions in smaller dedicated group or alone.
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@[email protected] ActivityPub does seem to have found a niche in tying together large existing commercial social media: Flipboard, Wordpress, Threads, Medium, Ghost, etc. Useful but does not fully realize the transformational "alternate to Big Tech / surveillance capitalism" or "queer trans and non-binary-centric" aspects of the fediverse.
At this point ATProto seems to me like a better platform for creating a public conversation-focused social network. The broader ATmosphere is still at an early stage and there isn't really an interop story yet. I should probably do a post on "What Bluesky and the ATmosphere can learn from Mastodon and the Fediverse" -- for example it's very likely to go down the path of Bluesky being the de facto standard, hmm sounds familiar. -
@hrefna good thread Hrefna. Understand and share most of your concerns.
Also agreed with that we currently do not know what the way forward actually looks like, but for me that is one of the reasons to be slightly more hopeful. We've got 3 other protocols that are also pushing the space forward, and showing/learning things about what does and does not work, and I think that innovation pressure from outside will help show what a way forward will look like
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also, this thread in lolsob format: https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]ld/t/939001
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r14creplied to smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) on last edited by
fair interpretation, but i wasn't referring to "the FOSS community", which i agree isn't really a cohesive entity.
i think the potential of the fediverse comes from the ability for affinity groups to create interoperable platforms and possibly cross-community solidarity. i'm excited for the possibility of new paradigms of social organization to bloom in the chaos of the fediverse. i appreciate the potential contributions of the distributed systems people that are on the network now, but mastodon didn't make the network blow up through any kind of technical prowess or vision. they had a marketing budget.
(i would add, i'm not trying to have an argument with anyone. if you think that's what's happening i'm sorry, but i'm not going to have a conversation in that format. i'm just sharing some thoughts.)
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smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)replied to r14c on last edited by