The Future
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What kind of stupid question is this? No, I don't believe idiotic things like 'money is THE root of all evil'. There are obviously other incentives in life. What's your point?
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I'm trying to understand why you seem to think that socialism is a fantasy. In my experience, it's usually a rebuttal about getting paid.
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Thats a deluded take.
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I am sure you're a "genius" who thinks people are poor or living paycheck to paycheck because its only their fault. But you wouldn't know anybody.
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Poverty is about resources. Most people in the US have plenty of that. Most people living paycheck to paycheck indeed did it to themselves.
Talked to someone while returning bottles and cans the other day. They had an electric bike with a trailer. They make ~$80 a week just going around town picking up bottles and cans. -Something I used to do before e-bikes. I made 2x minimum wage doing it when redemption took longer and more effort (feeding through a machine). Almost any idiot is capable of doing this, others are capable of far more.
If you're dependent on an employer in the US; you're probably a lazy leech that simply refuses to do actual work because I could give example after example of work people could do for more money. -When you lack those resources, then complain about poverty.
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Most people isn't good enough. Homeless people exist and underpin the entire concept of inequity with capitalism. The only thing they did was not have money.
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I've been homeless, have you?
You're probably ignoring underlying problems like drug addictions, mental illness, and divorce. Also, some people simply choose the life. -
Yeah that minimum wage sure makes people go above and beyond lol
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Sounds like you were stealing scrap metal to me, right to private prison, you are now happily employed.
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Getting through all of those conditions requires huge amounts of money, as I'm sure you know. There probably are some folks that prefer homelessness, but it's a substantial minority and likely due to a situation where apartments don't work and they can't afford a house.
I don't need to be homeless to have compassion and a vision for a better world.
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Experiencing homelessness leads to a better understanding of homelesseness. Same with wealth; if you've never been wealthy; you don't know the experience. Sure, it's nice that you show you care about it, but anything you have to contribute on the topic is about as effective as donating to a scam artist and thinking you did good.
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Cleaning up other people's litter. lol
The guy does a service. I just return my own and my landlords. -
It's argued that slavery was a choice. Working minimum is far more so.
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Do you have the proper tax stamp and notorized permit from the state and your landlord? You are going straight to prisonl as well.
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Experiencing homelessness leads to a better understanding of homelessness
I 100% agree with you that lived experience is a necessity to finding an answer, but it's unrealistic to expect only people with that experience to produce solutions.
anything you have to contribute on the topic is about as effective as donating to a scam artist
What was it you were saying about lived experience? Well you've never lived my life. I can see the precarity of homelessness myself. I'm in a place that's forced to make plans in case I have nothing. I'm also building an organizing committee for my union local to address homelessness in my community. I'll make sure to tell everyone that attends our moneyless winter clothing swap that even though I'm there and planned it, I'm actually a con artist.
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money is a proxy for resources, is the thing, having someone "own" everything includes owning all the money, at which point you end up with the same issue. Ownership is meaningless without a system to enforce that, because one person cant prevent everyone else from using "their" stuff on their own, and systems require buy in from a large fraction of the population to function, which requires giving enough people a reason to participate. Automation doesnt really solve this, it increases the total amount that can be produced, meaning you can hold a higher fraction of the total because the smaller fraction left can be "enough" to keep the system running, but some tasks exist that require a significant degree of intelligence and thinking to do, meaning you must either have humans do them, or have machines that are smart and self aware enough that them finding ways around restrictive programming becomes an issue.
I dont think Mars has anything to do with some plan by the rich to escape tbh. Early space colonies by nature would be cramped, form-follows function places to live, and the rich tend to like a lot of comforts. It seems to me more likely that they would send other people to colonize mars as a vanity project, or for resource extraction, or just because they personally like the concept and have enough money to push for it to be done, than that very many of them would personally go there. They might suggest that it could be a way to escape climate change or such in order to try to prompt others to buy in, but that notion falls flat on its face when one considers that even if we burned every scrap of coal in the ground, every drop of oil, and then fired off every nuclear weapon, it would still be easier to build a settlement on earth than one on mars. If you have the resources and the technology to build a mars colony, "the planet burning" is no longer much of a threat to your survival anyway.
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Fucking yikes dude.
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I would argue there is no such thing as an ethical billionaire. So yes, above a certain point, all rich people are bad. They hold an unusably vast hoard of resources. They elect to retain these resources rather than help others. Granted this is a subjective argument, but a sound one.
As for not being able to prove the danger of poverty, and my statistics you can rrad the research paper I pulled them from ar you leisure: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2804032
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Most people in the US are more than capable of 'spreading the wealth'. -So what stops us?
I chose to not be addicted to drugs, to be responsible with money, and learn valuable skills and indepencence from employers. Why should I provide for someone choosing different (or enabling them to go even further down a bad path)? Wealthy people are no different in this respect, they just have more money. Squandering it on people who claim to be poor isn't as good as...
Buying up farmland in the USA to keep it out of the hands of China, or funding vaccinations. -Something a 'billionaire' has been doing.
Or.. give an example of people winning big on the lottery and compare it to the people who's lives were destroyed by the easy money. Being a better steward of money doesn't make someone evil.
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Who in the hell is arguing that slavery was a choice?
