The Foundation: "The Fediverse, also known as the social web, is a network of independent social platforms connected by the open standard protocol ActivityPub."
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Jörg von Frantziusreplied to Steve Bate last edited by
@steve talking about social *web*, which is openly standardized by W3C, which of those protocols has a W3C standard?
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Jörg von Frantziusreplied to Jörg von Frantzius last edited by
@steve Also interesting in the Wikipedia entry you linked:
"The majority of fediverse platforms are free and open-source software, and create connections between servers using the ActivityPub protocol. Some software still supports older federation protocols like OStatus, the Diaspora (stylized as diaspora*) protocol and Zot as well. As of August 2024, diaspora* is the only actively developed project classified under the original definition for fediverse that doesn't support ActivityPub" -
Steve Batereplied to Jörg von Frantzius last edited by
@jfrantzius Please take a look at the W3C. Even the original SocialWG released protocol Recommendations other than ActivityPub (see the IndieWeb recommendations, for example). In any case, there are protocols used in the "web" that aren't standardized by the W3C.
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Jörg von Frantziusreplied to Steve Bate last edited by [email protected]
@steve of course, but which of those recommendations made it into a proper W3C standard? I'm a techie guy, for me that's like HTTP vs. something somebody else invented for the same purpose, without any established or open standard.
Why not adopt the established standard, which means moving away from the others?
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Steve Batereplied to Jörg von Frantzius last edited by
@jfrantzius So, like I said, there are other federation protocols than ActivityPub. Some platforms implement more than one. diaspora* doesn't implement AP and uses a different federation protocol?
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Jörg von Frantziusreplied to Steve Bate last edited by
@steve so what future might that have? I'm all in for the Fediverse, and I'd see AP as the only way forward ..
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Steve Batereplied to Jörg von Frantzius last edited by
@jfrantzius If you want everyone to use ActivityPub and not use any protocols not developed by the W3C, that's up to you. Feel free to donate to the Foundation. That's not the topic I'm discussing and it doesn't change the inaccuracy of the Foundation's claims.
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@vilunov The newly founded "Social Web Foundation" created by Evan Prodromou, Meta, et al. You can find it with a search. I don't want to link to it.
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Steve Batereplied to Jörg von Frantzius last edited by
@jfrantzius Please do some research, there were multiple "social web" (indieweb) standards developed by the W3C and released at the same time as ActivityPub. The situation is a lot more nuanced than you may know. There's no way I can cover all the topics and related issues in 500 character posts.
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Jörg von Frantziusreplied to Steve Bate last edited by
@steve Alright, I wasn't aware of those other W3C recommendations, sorry. The reason why I might never heard of them (or never realized they were W3C implementations) is probably that they only have few supporting softwares and few users, compared to ActivityPub / Mastodon, which seems also reflected in the Wikipedia article.
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@jfrantzius @steve the W3C would promote protocols that are reliable then. And not just be a platform to boost the ego of some of their coauthor.
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Steve Batereplied to Jörg von Frantzius last edited by
@jfrantzius @aroom Minds what?
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Jörg von Frantziusreplied to Steve Bate last edited by
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Steve Batereplied to Jörg von Frantzius last edited by
@jfrantzius @aroom Trolling aside... an ego-driven authority can be quite damaging, especially if they believe (at some level) they are doing good and represent the one true way. Make ActivityPub Great Again?
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Jörg von Frantziusreplied to Steve Bate last edited by
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@jfrantzius @steve it's already damaging. and the fact that you're not aware of it is part of the issue.
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