you know, one thing that has always bothered me regarding male violence is the demonization of testosterone.

jess :3 :blobbee_flag_rainbow: :sailormoon_bow:

@puppygirlhornypost2 to me, very few circumstances aside, being violent is always a choice

Racheldent Evil 7: Boobahazard

@puppygirlhornypost2 I was discussing this yesterday on my discord server - but second-wave feminists really poisoned the well in so many ways through characterizing testosterone puberty, or being born with a penis, as something Inherently Evil that taints you forever

Raeve :spinnycat_enby: :neocat_amogus:

@puppygirlhornypost2 the key evidence of this fallacy is that society allows men to be violent

instead of, y'know, that being the real cause instead

it's the same vein of bullshit as women not being able to control their emotions ... because men are never expected to

Li ~ Crystal System

@aismallard @puppygirlhornypost2 also just another thing; all people should have protections from being hurt and violence in general, this shouldnt fucking be dependant on what gender you are,

ch0ccyra1n

@puppygirlhornypost2 if anything, it's that men think they can get away with it because they have power over non-men in the gender hierarchy (and most of the time, they do get away with male violence). Blaming it on testosterone is just playing into the patriarchal attitude that they can get away with it.

Amber

@[email protected] yeah. i think that by framing it as something testosterone makes a person do you're removing the accountability everybody has for their own actions. it's counterproductive, if we want men to be held accountable we can't just push the blame to testosterone.

Amber

@[email protected] and if i remember correctly there have been studies done on this. i don't think there's any proven correlation between high testosterone levels and male aggressiveness.

Anthropy :verified_dragon:

@puppygirlhornypost2 I've also seen people claim that estrogen makes you more violent, and people that claim that a lack of hormones makes you more violent, which leaves you wondering, at what point do we just address accountability instead of making up 'reasons' that could be behind behaviours? you'd almost think humans are inherently allergic to accountability or something lol

devils

@puppygirlhornypost2 it ABSOLUTELY is pseudoscience. I remember seeing TERFs saying that taking testosterone would make someone violent. Really, it all depends on the person and it's mostly because it can be a drastic hormonal change.

HRT has made me more assertive, but it's not the magical hormone, it's the fact I'm more confident in my own body now. Additionally anyone with high T levels isn't going to be violent unless they're already predisposed and desensitized to it.

(From the) River (to the Sea)

@puppygirlhornypost2 @ch0ccyra1n I'm a big believer in nurture over nature and I think the nurture here is the way boys are taught implicitly and explicitly that there's a narrow band of acceptable behaviours they can show and emotions they can have, and those boys become men who have internalised the idea that there are 3 acceptable emotions: happy, angry, and horny.

(From the) River (to the Sea)

@puppygirlhornypost2 @ch0ccyra1n part of what kept me in the closet from myself for so long was the really narrow band of self-expression I felt I was allowed. Don't act feminine, don't cry, make sure you're "getting" women.

Today I still hold a lot of anger, but it's really just an expression of the grief and sadness I'm still trying to unblock. Even full of E, even knowing I'm not a man, the shame of crying is still deeply-seated.

Amber

@[email protected] @[email protected] I am lucky and not lucky at the same time in this regard. I always cried, expressed emotion. This of course made me "less manly" to the manly man types. I have been yelled in my face by my step dad that I'm "effeminate" and need to stop crying and act like a real man. It's not fun either way.

argv minus one

@cestfleuve

Strange how people like that consider lust and rage okay to express, but not any other emotion.

@puppygirlhornypost2 @ch0ccyra1n