@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I read that as Jewish for a sec, didn't understand thought for a moment you're Jewish and decided Ubuntu isn't Kosher for whatever reason
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Amy (she/her/hers)replied to Wyatt (🏳️⚧️♀?) last edited by
@[email protected] @[email protected] assuming an initial installation of core debian, are debian branches/spins (thinking devuan) reasonable alternatives for systemd avoidance?
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Laxystemreplied to Wyatt (🏳️⚧️♀?) last edited by [email protected]
@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I don't think you count at this point, you're too power usery for my fear of installing stuff that can do admin stuff without prepending sudo/run0
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@amyipdev @wyatt8740 I heard they're pretty reasonably up to date, I know someone who runs one of them, they have the same kernel version I did on Fedora stable.
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@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I don't determine that, and it's irrelevant anyway, Ubuntu has snap by default, "these things shouldn't be pre-installed" doesn't apply—I simply said having *installable* flatpak doesn't really count for the quality of an OS that is supposed to be out of the box.
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Wyatt (🏳️⚧️♀?)replied to Laxystem last edited by [email protected]
@laxla @amyipdev does ubuntu come with flatpaks or snapsfor all the software you run already locally installed out of the box?
if not, then flatpak or snap on its own is useless, is it not?
package managers are there out of the box in order to install software that isn't there out of the box.
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No, and no, good point though.
Windows doesn't come with a proper package manager either, so you could make that argument, too.
I don't think there's much to this convo anymore though, it's mostly about terms by now.
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With at least Linux-based systems there days (or at least a couple decades ago?), you shouldn't really have "desktop OSes"*, you have systems you can configure to use in the way you want. Choice and versatility at least used to be one of the big advantages of Linux-based systems). -
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* There is an issue here, which is that "desktop" can be used in conflicting ways: sits on desk, has X11, has some window management, has a full-featured DE that can kinda feel like an OS of its own, or "mirrors [other OS]".
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@njsg @amyipdev @wyatt8740 the idea is, the Ubuntu/Fedora Workstation use case. Simple, but not for total newbies, out of the box, without the limitations of immutability or ssh-centrism (servers).
