@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I read that as Jewish for a sec, didn't understand thought for a moment you're Jewish and decided Ubuntu isn't Kosher for whatever reason
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@[email protected] @[email protected] oh cool, where're you from? (i'm stuck in orange county, california for now desfortundamente)
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@wyatt8740 @amyipdev no it's fine when it's there by default, it's system mutability and Linux permissions magic I don't trust, not flatpak itself.
Giving stuff admin on my already installed system freaks me out, I hate it, lemme put my password in every time for the love of god.
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@amyipdev @wyatt8740 Israel
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Laxystemreplied to Wyatt (🏳️⚧️♀?) last edited by [email protected]
@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I know still freaks me out, should be atomic, as in, reproducible on every machine, then if it's a security hazard it's not my fault and someone will catch it on another machine.
Manually installing something like this, even if it's automagically done by DNF, should not be the norm for a desktop OS imo
(I use Fedora)
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@[email protected] @[email protected] "manually installing" installing something through apt/dnf/another package manager is not manual
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Amy (she/her/hers)replied to Wyatt (🏳️⚧️♀?) last edited by
@[email protected] @[email protected] idk if its still an issue or not but the inability to remove
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@amyipdev @wyatt8740 yeah stuff's absolutely crazy here on these topics.
But truth is even christians eat somewhat Kosher/Halal, it's simply culture by now
Some places sell both Khalavi and Basari, but very few do so together, and when they do, it's clearly marked (same for "contains alcohol")
The "kosher" sign mainly tells you that it's not open on Saturdays nowadays. I eat Kosher and idc about the sign.
Fancy Tel Avivian/Eilatian restaurants are probably the only place you have to worry about truly non kosher/Haram stuff.
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@amyipdev @wyatt8740 yeah, but it is UX wise, I'm talking about desktop OSes.
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Amy (she/her/hers)replied to Wyatt (🏳️⚧️♀?) last edited by
@[email protected] @[email protected] assuming an initial installation of core debian, are debian branches/spins (thinking devuan) reasonable alternatives for systemd avoidance?
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Laxystemreplied to Wyatt (🏳️⚧️♀?) last edited by [email protected]
@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I don't think you count at this point, you're too power usery for my fear of installing stuff that can do admin stuff without prepending sudo/run0
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@amyipdev @wyatt8740 I heard they're pretty reasonably up to date, I know someone who runs one of them, they have the same kernel version I did on Fedora stable.
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@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I don't determine that, and it's irrelevant anyway, Ubuntu has snap by default, "these things shouldn't be pre-installed" doesn't apply—I simply said having *installable* flatpak doesn't really count for the quality of an OS that is supposed to be out of the box.
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Wyatt (🏳️⚧️♀?)replied to Laxystem last edited by [email protected]
@laxla @amyipdev does ubuntu come with flatpaks or snapsfor all the software you run already locally installed out of the box?
if not, then flatpak or snap on its own is useless, is it not?
package managers are there out of the box in order to install software that isn't there out of the box.
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No, and no, good point though.
Windows doesn't come with a proper package manager either, so you could make that argument, too.
I don't think there's much to this convo anymore though, it's mostly about terms by now.
