@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I read that as Jewish for a sec, didn't understand thought for a moment you're Jewish and decided Ubuntu isn't Kosher for whatever reason

Laxystem

@amyipdev @wyatt8740 that's ok it's just the meme

Here people just write Kosher in Hebrew and sometimes English, and Halal in Arabic

It's called cheating the system

Amy (she/her/hers)

@[email protected] @[email protected] I don't personally like flatpaks (I'm really big on the traditional software installation model, although I am using nixos now so ) but holy shit will I take flatpak over snapd

Amy (she/her/hers)

@[email protected] @[email protected] here it doesn't get written since we don't have much kosher or halal food at all

Laxystem

@amyipdev @wyatt8740 I dislike flatpaks as well but like.

Wdym you simply don't support them? Every system should have flatpak support till we have a better alternative

Wyatt (🏳️‍⚧️♀?)

@laxla @amyipdev chroot

Amy (she/her/hers)

@[email protected] @[email protected] i'm fairly sure you can install flatpak on ubuntu no?

Amy (she/her/hers)

@[email protected] @[email protected] yeah it is supported, literally sudo apt install flatpak, was in a PPA before: https://flatpak.org/setup/Ubuntu

Amy (she/her/hers)

@[email protected] @[email protected] port bsd jails

Laxystem

@amyipdev @wyatt8740 hahahaha here everything's Kosher and Halal, the difference is whether it serves both Khalavi and Basari, and whether it is open on Saturdays/serves alcohol, respectively, of course

There's actually a government monopoly on this, the Kashrut Authority attempted to force all Khalavi (milk-derived) stuff to be triangular a while back.

Laxystem

@amyipdev @wyatt8740 doesn't count imo, it should be there by default, I don't trust installing flatpak myself, it has magic invoke-admin-cmds-without-admin I don't trust apt (nor rpm for that matter) to install properly

Wyatt (🏳️‍⚧️♀?)

@laxla @amyipdev if your system (flatpak) is so fucking fragile that apt cannot install it then imo it absolutely cannot be afforded to bake it in by default

Laxystem

@amyipdev @wyatt8740 honestly, I gave two main requirements of a flatpak alternative:
* I don't wanna know it's a flatpak. It should work with DNF/APT/whatever local package manager you have in addition to its own CLI.
* Have GTK dark mode work out of the fucking goddamn box thank you very much

Amy (she/her/hers)

@[email protected] @[email protected] oh cool, where're you from? (i'm stuck in orange county, california for now desfortundamente)

Laxystem

@wyatt8740 @amyipdev no it's fine when it's there by default, it's system mutability and Linux permissions magic I don't trust, not flatpak itself.

Giving stuff admin on my already installed system freaks me out, I hate it, lemme put my password in every time for the love of god.

Laxystem

@amyipdev @wyatt8740 Israel

Amy (she/her/hers)

@[email protected] @[email protected] ah

Wyatt (🏳️‍⚧️♀?)

@laxla @amyipdev This is what debian package postinst scripts are for; setting up permissions automatically after a package is installed

Laxystem

@wyatt8740 @amyipdev I know still freaks me out, should be atomic, as in, reproducible on every machine, then if it's a security hazard it's not my fault and someone will catch it on another machine.

Manually installing something like this, even if it's automagically done by DNF, should not be the norm for a desktop OS imo

(I use Fedora)

Amy (she/her/hers)

@[email protected] @[email protected] "manually installing" installing something through apt/dnf/another package manager is not manual

Wyatt (🏳️‍⚧️♀?)

@laxla @amyipdev yeah, i think our views on what a unix or linux system should be are fundamentally incompatible then
because i recoil in horror at the notion of this shit being baked in as a non-removable module of a system. so much extra attack surface.