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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"August 2017 is when tiki-torch waving Nazis invaded Charlottesville, Virginia, in defense of treasonous confederate slaveholders and their own perceived supremacy. We know they were Nazis because they were chanting ‘Jews will not replace us,’ and ‘blood and soil,’ and all the other Nazi hits, and because they believed in Nazi causes and utilized Nazi symbology, and so on."
#ARMoxon #Trump #evangelicals #WhiteChristianNationalism #authoritarianism #Nazis
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"August 2017 was also when the White Christian president defended those who marched with the Nazis as ‘very fine people.’ I call him ‘the White Christian president’ because the people who support him are overwhelmingly understood to be a specific thing known as ‘white,’" (continued in /4)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"and overwhelmingly identify as a specific thing known as ‘Christian,’ and the White Christian president made quite a show over the years of representing U.S. citizens exclusively based on whether or not they support him” (p. 11).
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
“Nazis and Confederates and Christian nationalists and other authoritarian supremacists only ever rise on the permissive shoulders of masses of very fine people willing to lend their moral authority to a monstrous cause—yes, and their energy, too, and their normalcy and niceness and well-scrubbed politeness," (continued in /6)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"and their deliberate unawareness as regards the methods and intentions of those with whom they march, and yes, their Christianity, too—because how could a religious person ever support atrocity if they did so out of a religious conviction? Their very fine presence in solidarity with monsters defends and enables the monstrousness” (pp. 12-3).
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
“In August 2017, the White Christian president, like all cheap hucksters, knew quite well which lies people would believe, knew quite well what lies his people wanted to hear, and knew quite well the lies they depended on for fortune and identity.
So he told the lie of the very fine people.
It’s a popular lie. It’s a traditional lie.
For most of my life, to one extent or another, I believed it.
And so I am a fool” (p. 13).
#ARMoxon #Trump #WhiteChristianNationalism #authoritarianism
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
“I want to be sure you know, in case you didn’t grow up among white Christian evangelical conservative Americans, as I did, that most of us aren’t pretending. We really are very nice, very kind, very generous. We are, by these and other measures, very fine people.
This made me think that fascism would be unpopular, particularly with people such as us."
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
It made me believe that white supremacy was defeated, specifically by people such as us.
And so I am a fool” (p. 14).
#ARMoxon #Trump #evangelicals #WhiteChristianNationalism #authoritarianism #Nazis
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Ulrich_the_Elder, 🇨🇦,🇺🇦replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Very fine people do not support nazis and fascism.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Ulrich_the_Elder last edited by
@Ulrich_the_elder I believe that would be Moxon's very point.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
“The white supremacist arrived, and he couldn’t have been a bigger cartoon farce: Donald Biggestbest Trump himself, rodeo clown of all rodeo clowns, a man you wouldn’t trust to feed a soft-serve ice cream cone to a stray badger, much less lead a country. And the very fine people—my very fine people—went for him."
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"I watched some of them posture at opposing him—an opposition that mostly focused on their discomfort with his grotesque tone and crude behavior—but that was in the early days, when they still thought, as I did, that the idea of such a man actually becoming president was preposterous."
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"As soon as it became clear that he was indeed to be the Republican standard-bearer, I watched them each, one by one, with only a handful of exceptions, drop their diaphanous hankies of performative opposition and stand before all of us exposed, proudly wearing their new emperor’s clothes, willingly bowing before their gobby golden calf. Willingly? Enthusiastically."
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"It was a growing enthusiasm. It was almost as if people who had been waiting for permission to embrace authoritarianism had finally been given it. I watched as the white evangelical Christian church in the United States—the tradition that raised me—"
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"revealed itself as the enthusiastic, sustaining, energetic, rapturous force powering a successful, openly white supremacist, authoritarian, fascist political movement, led by a pig of a man, an incurious narcissistic fool without a single redeeming quality."
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"And I watched, as those within that religious tradition who were uncomfortable with this reality set themselves to the work of keeping comfortable relationship with those who had embraced fascism, even if it came at the expense of their relationship with those who were menaced by it” (pp. 18-9).
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Tawtovo (ܬܘܬܒܐ)replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
This was the betrayal that hurt me worst. Not even the 81% who voted for Trump, but the 18% who insisted that those 81% must be kept comfortable and not challenged, and that the 1% like me who objected were the trouble-makers here. So I left, at first reluctantly, but now shaking the dust off my feet. -
Stella Creplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Fascinating thread - thanks
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Tawtovo (ܬܘܬܒܐ) last edited by
@tawtovo Yes! And those 81% in evangelical circles were matched by some 60% in white Catholic and Mormon circles, and the same thing happened there: the rest just went along, refused to rock the boat. Rabid, hateful right-wing Christianity would never have taken control of US Christianity if so many people who know better had not stood by in total silence.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Stella C last edited by
@SCampbell You're welcome. I find him an illuminating thinker and writer.