European friends are again horrified by the barbaric racism that we just accept in the US.
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European friends are again horrified by the barbaric racism that we just accept in the US.
Wait... You're telling me that a lot of people on death row are innocent?!
🧔️That's right.
And Black death row inmates are 7 times more likely to be innocent? 7?! 🤯
🧔️Yup.
And in this case... even the prosecutor asked for a pardon because the man is innocent, the victim's family asked too, and all the Dem Supreme Court judges?
🧔️Yep.
Then... then why did they execute him?
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Ciarán Ferriereplied to mekka okereke :verified: last edited by
@mekkaokereke Why do they execute anyone? It's a barbaric practice carried out by a dwindling number of mostly authoritarian countries. The US can have no moral authority in the world as long as capital punishment remains in the statue books.
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Conor EI8GVBreplied to mekka okereke :verified: last edited by
@mekkaokereke Even if people on death row are guilty they still shouldn't be getting executed. Civilised countries don't have a "death row".
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Import Antigravityreplied to Conor EI8GVB last edited by
@ei8gvb @mekkaokereke I believe there are people who deserve to die for their actions, but of all the words written on the ethics of capital punishment, the words of Gandalf from LotR sum it up best: "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”
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bitzeroreplied to mekka okereke :verified: last edited by@mekkaokereke
I’ve since a long time understood that in the US, laws and common sense apply only if you’re born in the USA, white, christian or jew, with money and a nice job. All the others are non-people to oppress, exploit, kill.
I honestly fail to understand how a nation can still be in place with all this patently clear. But I’m European so it’s my fault. -
@ccferrie @mekkaokereke Oppression exists where moral authority is ascribed to a singular power, no matter how moral their practices seem
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@bitzero @mekkaokereke I wonder if for some unfathomable reason we had the death penalty here though there would be similar miscarriages of ‘justice’. There’s certainly enough racism, we are maybe a bit more polite / hidden / dishonest about it
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@okohll @mekkaokereke
There's a fundamental difference in how European and US cultures see the concept itself of a sentence.
In USA - and in many other places, btw - the sentence is first of all, and by large, the punishment for a crime. So an awful crime deserves an awful sentence (death).
In other cultures - like in most European nations - the punishment is also seen from a rehabilitation standpoint: every criminal can be socially redeemed. But you cannot redeem the dead, so a death sentence makes no sense. Depending on your religious or philosophical position, there could also be the fact that life is sacred. Anyone's life.
So, I think that death sentences are a closed issue here in Europe. There should be a massive shift-right change in politics to put the issue on the table again. I'm quite skeptic that things could change even in that scenario. -
@bitzero @mekkaokereke @okohll The European experience of WWII also has a big impact imo. The Holocaust was legal. All those people were legally executed by the state in accordance with the laws then in force. After the war there was a big movement in Europe to ensure that states would not have that legal right ever again.