today's lesson for me: if i open a mastodon thread and see a set of replies, there's zero guarantee these:- are the same replies others see- are the same replies OP sees- are a reasonable, close subset of any of those- don't magically omit all of the h...
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today's lesson for me: if i open a mastodon thread and see a set of replies, there's zero guarantee these:
- are the same replies others see
- are the same replies OP sees
- are a reasonable, close subset of any of those
- don't magically omit all of the harassment someone receivesthis is, fucked up
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✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧replied to ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧ last edited by
this is like. really bad on the same level as Matrix lying to you about messages being sent being really bad
I _hate_ computer systems that confidently lie to me
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@whitequark you'll get a better view if you visit the original post on its instance, but it's not perfect.
this is a mastodon design decision btw. the instance i have an alt on has reverted this change
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✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧replied to ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧ last edited by
i think this might be the thing that finally makes me migrate off Mastodon as software
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@dysfun @whitequark …what design decision are you referring to here?
(It is kind of unfortunate that everyone implemented AP “wrong” and now has to do so many of these things the hard way. Oh well, such is life…)
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@erincandescent @whitequark oh it doesn't federate all the responses properly. and it doesn't even try with stuff like likes
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@dysfun @whitequark so like. instances were supposed to forward all replies to every recipient of the original thread but this doesn’t happen due to a mixture of bad early implementation decisions that now haunt everyone.
mastodon is not alone in making this decision; pretty much everyone did. mastodon and misskey are pretty much the only bits of software which can sign (and verify) posts in a forwardable way and everyone is slowly rolling that back too because it opens its own harassment vectors
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@dysfun @whitequark anyway the original sin was people thinking you could have “getting a list of all replies to a post” happen in any way other than asking the poster’s server and the ongoing sin is people continuing with this failed model.
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@dysfun @whitequark (in this model you also wouldn’t see all of the harassment… becuase blocking someone would probably unlist all of their replies to your posts. but that’s not a historically uncommon model; its how comments in most places work!)
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@erincandescent @whitequark @dysfun primordial sin was privileging replies as anything special in the first place, instead of having actual honest-to-god moderated conversations
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@whitequark
The mobile app I'm using has a single click button to fetch replies as they are seen from the original post's server.I am guessing that this isn't a priority from the mastodon team because it is a competitive advantage for their mega-instance.
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Cassandrichreplied to ✧✦✶✷Catherine✷✶✦✧ last edited by
@whitequark The OP (or anyone @'d) should see all of them, modulo blocking/moderation. But yeah otherwise what subset you see depends on how widely interconnected your instance is. Clients could fix this if they wanted. Automatically, or on demand, pulling full thread from the OP's instance then poking their own instance to grab those posts by querying the local form of them.
I'm really hoping we'll see default behaviors moving in that direction.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] has been working on getting this behavior implemented in Mastodon; there's a (still open?) PR about it, I believe.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] (hilariously, I see someone linked to the PR before me... but I missed that because I simply hadn't scrolled down far enough, not because my server hadn't pulled in the response. hah)
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Ryan Castellucci :nonbinary_flag:replied to maswan last edited by
@maswan @whitequark which app?
