FediForum hot take
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infinite love ⴳreplied to Emelia 👸🏻 on last edited by
@thisismissem @julian @silverpill @pfefferle @evan @dmitri right, i've oft said that mastodon/pixelfed/peertube/etc are in reality better fit as AP Clients rather than AP Servers (technically, they are monolithic implementations where the S2S bits are subsumed by the transformers/workers/controllers)
having mastodon et al implement AP C2S support against a generic AP server would help solve the chicken-and-egg problem as well as ameliorate a slew of others (portability, etc)
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@thisismissem @evan @julian @silverpill @pfefferle @dmitri We should definitely use RFC 8414 for the metadata
If anyone ever works on a spec for this I’d definitely be interested (& interested in doing an impl)
Another thing missing (which maybe has been covered!) is how you learn what account you got authorized for. I think we should do that either via token introspection or OpenID Connect User Info; with token introspection we need to either say that the
subclaim is theidof the actor or specify a JWT claim for this -
Kevin Marksreplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@evan @julian @silverpill @pfefferle @dmitri @thisismissem I recognise that reference!
You can revive the other 2 bits of OpenSocial - Portable Contacts for friend graph and the data api that stores data per person and allows querying of it from friends… -
Actually quite barebones but the most concrete example I’ve seen https://github.com/WhyINeedToFillUsername/inbox
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The Nexus of Privacyreplied to julian on last edited by
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Jupiter Rowlandreplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by@Evan Prodromou @julian @Emelia
You may want to get into contact with @Mario Vavti and @Harald Eilertsen. Hubzilla already has an OAuth 2.0 implementation, both as a server and as a client AFAIK.
CC: @silverpill @Matthias Pfefferle @Dmitri |
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This is actually funny cause I said this in my Talk at https://berlinfedi.day/ too.
If non techie- or English people don't imagine "headless" (or ask for a CW), I do say:
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Josh Shaked ⁂replied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@evan @julian @pfefferle I think @js's browserpub is a good start
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bumblefudgereplied to Evan Prodromou on last edited by
@evan @julian @silverpill @pfefferle @dmitri @thisismissem
I like evan's point here, but my variant thereof would be to distinguish between a developer platform (Facebook Connect, Twitter's open API era), a user platform (Threads, Mastodon API; potentially harmonized OAuth cross-AuthN), and a data platform (ActivityPub, currently only plausible as such in read-only mode for lack of C2S hardening). We should think of those as 3 distinct layers of interop and prioritize/invest accordingly.
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@evan @julian @silverpill @pfefferle @dmitri @thisismissem
I tend to agree that OAuth work is low-hanging fruit for most projects' priorities, and maybe SWICG's as a whole. It's also worth mentioning that bluesky has modeled one way that OAuth can mediate between the same 3 layers (ATP data platform, Bsky user platform, and 3rd party apps borrowing bsky's users).
