I’ve now seen a ‘liberal’ person advocating that Americans who feel they lost out on jobs to H1Bs, should call ICE.
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@skinnylatte A lot of liberals have been ratcheting hard to the right since the election. It's pretty horrid to see.
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@ideogram given that the H1B program is fully subscribed by a factor of 4 or 5 to 1, many, and for many good reasons despite what people think.
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@foolishowl all day here people have been telling me I’m mistaking what liberals are really about
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@PJ_Evans they’re cosplaying as liberal, but believe me when I say many so-called liberals are very problematic on immigration too
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@ideogram @skinnylatte what you have to remember is that every problem in the US is also made into everyone else's problem. People still immigrate to this horrible country because, largely due to this horrible country, conditions in their home country are even worse. Or, in some cases, they're not much worse but everyone lies to them about how good it is here. No one is immune to propaganda
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@raphaelmorgan @ideogram studies show that immigrants to the U.S. do on average better than immigrants to other developed countries on every index. people like me actively make this choice, even from a ‘rich’ country, and continue to do so. America is the worst is also a form of American exceptionalism.
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@skinnylatte @ideogram I can't tell if this is a disagreement or an addition but for the record, I'm not trying to say America is the worst. More that, despite how horrible it is here, it's kinda horrible everywhere. Often as a result of US imperialism, or European imperialism.
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@raphaelmorgan @ideogram I think lots of immigrants are fully aware of the challenges that this country presents. No one expects a paradise. Some, however, expect more social freedom than elsewhere, and more economic opportunity than ‘home’. I always say I choose America over other imperialist shitholes because it lets me call it mine.
Other settler colonies do not afford their immigrants this luxury, most of the time.
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@skinnylatte @raphaelmorgan @ideogram I used to volunteer with a group that helped recent immigrants. The people we worked with were mostly from East Africa, so they had multiple strikes against them in the American context: mostly Black, many Muslim.
And their attitude was in line with what you describe. They were realists; they expected things in a new country to be difficult. But they were doing it anyway, because their specific constellation of circumstances made the difficulty feel worth it.
Most of them ended up doing OK. They didn't get rich, but they made a decent, secure life here. It made me proud to be able to help.
