Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Lower Decks | 5x10 "The New Next Generation"

haverholm

What was ~~Cronenberg~~ Kovich's line about that again? "The Mirror Universe has been drifting away" or some such?

I'm willing to bet the Terran Empire tried some multiversal invasion that exploded in their collective face and blew them across the quantum plane (if that's a thing). The Quantum portal could easily be written into that.

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And yet it endures. Unlike the Terran Empire, which fell centuries ago. Were you aware that the distance between our two universes started expanding sometime after your departure? There hasn't been a single crossing in over 500 years. You didn't know that, did you? You're all alone now.

There's definitely a lot of wiggle room in there.

Dr. Fortyseven

Honestly, for me, the finale covered it enough. It's obvious they like each other. I don't think it needs to be directly confirmed in dialogue for it to be legit.

Dr. Fortyseven

Holy shit, I don't remember that at all.

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Rutherford upgraded his implant to be little more like Alternate Rutherford who had a super implant that also blocked out his emotions entirely.

This wasn't a story about how his implant was bad at dealing with alternate universe versions of technology. His story was about how he had always used his implant to protect him from feeling emotions. Cranking it up slightly was all it took to finally block him from loving anything. Himself as he is, the Cerritos, Tendi. As soon as he took it out all of those emotions flooded in.

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I can’t believe it’s already been five seasons.. that was a great show.

Unexpectedly really relatable too, as a young working professional (well, less young than when it started..)

data1701d (He/Him)

I feel like I’ve been pulled off Ketracel white cold turkey. So many good episodes. My ultimate conclusion is the best episode is probably season 3 finale, with season 4 finale very close behind.

The Rutherford thing was weird - they could have written in a bit more foreshadowing. I’m gonna tell myself it’s a way to make Eugene Cordero’s makeup easier for a live action film.

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A pretty cool episode. Top takeaways:

I'm going to miss Captain Ransom. I think it would have been fun to have a season or two of him. Only Discovery has had the balls to hand over the Captain's chair to another during its main run, and I think that is a good thing.
Starbase 80 is now set up as a new DS9-style show. A starbase guarding a dimensional portal. God I hope that happens. I just hope they pull off the ensemble cast that made DS9 such a classic.
I hate the tease for Rutherford x Tendi, it's so mean to tease it in the finale But really it's so cute.

Plenty more I missed of course.

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This makes this season's Rutherford make a lot more sense. I am definitely a Rutherford-Tendí shipper, but even my friend who is significantly less so of one than me noticed that the two of them seemed to barely interact after she returned from Orion. They didn't have a lot of screen time, but even the screen time they did have was more being in the same scene together than interacting together which seemed so unlike them. But I thought the whole Tendi-T'Lyn rivalry was very unlike Tendi, too.

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The showrunners said from a very early point that the two would not get together during the shows run

I had missed this. I'd hung five season's worth of ship-hope on them, but I regret nothing because they're adorable and they had better get together in the comics!!!!

Andy

I feel like this finale did a very impressive job of tying things up, not in the way that they are concluded and done but that we see a transition in which that which we know has ended, and now the characters are going off toward grand new things. Which is a great approach to providing resolution without essentially killing and mounting your characters like butterflies in a collection.

But also, I sort of wonder if part of the intent was to loudly tell the fans and the network that if anyone was curious, the writers had a ton of juice in the battery. This is pure speculation, but I feel like the thematic message of this finale was something to the effect of 'Just in case anyone wondered if we're finishing because we didn't have more to say, wrong, WRONG, WRONG. We could've made another five jam-packed high quality seasons of this easily.

That's what I felt watching it. Tendi and Rutherford's bond was always strong, but I long wondered if a romantic pairing was a possibility or not. It didn't feel obvious or obviously out of place. Seeing Rutherford remove the implant provided in just a single scene a lot of fodder to consider what we could learn about him as a person and technology in seeing how he is the same and how he is different without the implant. And seeing him essentially look up from his cell phone and realize he has a crush on his best friend he was long avoiding thinking about is a great direction for him to go, imo. I think that would be a great story, regardless of whether it culminates in a lasting romance or leads to a decision to remain platonic.

I'd never quite liked Ransom. I don't hate him, but his gimmick always annoyed more than endeared. But in the last minute, I had to admit that it has worked. He's supposed to annoy, but also to remain hard to dislike. You want to dislike him, but he won't quite let you. "Engage the core!" landed very well with me. That's a catch phrase that kind of gets both more tired with use, and funnier as it gets more tired. I'd love to see him deliver this incredibly groan-inducing line in a moment of genuine high stakes drama, at which point you'd have no choice but to admit... it's become iconic (and you'd hate him for doing that).

Anyway, 3 out of 5 stars (Jk, I loved the finale. Paramount should just announce that they've reassessed and green-lit another season. Seems like an obvious thing to do, but we'll see).

Andy

Overall, I think it was foreshadowed enough. In the first episode of the season, we see him having transitioned entirely to inorganic parts to fully bury his emotions, and in the end of this we see him deciding to go the other way. And I liked it.

I'm often a little critical of what seem like anti-transhumanist takes that assume organic parts are inherently superior, and mechanization is a defilement of god's creation. But in this case, I didn't feel like his choice was that. It felt like -- and this is a complicated comparison, so follow me -- an examination of what is often called "detransitioning".

I say "often called" because I don't think a transgender person adopting a prior gender presentation IS "detransitioning". I think it's just transitioning further. There's a sort of irony, to me, in the taboo within trans-allyship toward transitioning back towards a prior gender expression, because bigots will always say that anyone who does so is proof that their transition was a mistake, and then claim that every transition is a mistake. I think this is ironic, because I celebrate anyone living their truth, and truths are complicated, and they change as we change.

Which is to say that I like cyborg Rutherford. And I also like non-cyborg Rutherford. And if Rutherford got cybernetics again or got biopunk mods, I think I'd like that Rutherford too.

I hope we do get to see more of all these characters.

Andy

Yeah. Also: there has been throughout the show a nice little undercurrent of labor consciousness that was often lacking when we only follow "leadership" in stories.

This has been my favorite Trek in a long while. I like these characters a lot, and their personal and professional growth was well written.

Andy

I think most of this show's jokes are great moments rather than lines, but there were definitely plenty of lines, too.

I loved "Science besties!"; "What is the viscosity of the goo?"/"Does it have anything nice to say?"; and of course "Engage the core!"

I can't help wondering if this gets renewed.

Andy

It’s Zeus and company antagonizing Hercules, not Michael Burnham being central to solving five (?) entirely unrelated but galactically significant disasters, apparently by pure chance.

Yeah, there's a lesson in good writing right there.

I think another way to approach this is demonstrated in The Expanse series and in a lot of Captain America stories: after you save the world, more big world-ending events get brought to you by people looking for help and enemies looking for revenge.

Andy

Yeah, Also, this really lets people make their own future for the characters.

Those two don't need to necessarily fall in love and having a conventional monogamous romantic pairing. Just seeing a best friendship evolve is fun, and who knows? Maybe they have a fling and decide to remain platonic. Maybe they have a down-low FWB thing. This one little moment where they both see each other in a new way lets people imagine anything.

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That makes quite a bit more sense, and if that was the intention I wish they'd been a little more explicit about it. I didn't even realize the implant was mucking with his emotional processing? Despite the Episode 1 throwaway line about it being a "Vulcan" implant, he seemed to have pretty normal emotional responses to me.

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Normal for a person, but not normal for him. We see him as a person at a very passionate person before he gets his implant who treats the dulling of his emotions as a boon.

I'd be shocked if the person influencing this writing of his character had never dealt with SSRIs or a similar medication.