The WordPress drama has brought forward a bunch of nerds advocating different systems they think WordPress users should switch to, which mostly has illustrated how few nerds understand what makes WordPress appealing to its users in the first place

vekkq

@djwfyi @jalefkowit Git can be easy, as Github Desktop demonstrates.

Jason Lefkowitz

@vekkq @djwfyi Try to teach a room full of marketing people how to use GitHub Desktop. I dare you

Shaula Evans

@jalefkowit See also: almost every tech drama.

It's exhausting and unhelpful.

Jason Lefkowitz

@ShaulaEvans Something about tech seems to attract people who cannot imagine anyone in the world is different than they are

berserk du soleil

@jalefkowit sorry if this is silly to ask, but what has happened to the competitor CMSes like Drupal? Is WP just more robust because of all its features? I guess it's accumulated things like a Katamari over many years

Eaton

@jalefkowit The Drupal world long lamented that "It's easy to build WordPress with Drupal, why don't more bloggers use Drupal?”

…Because they don't want to build WordPress?

Jason Lefkowitz

@aetataureate They're mostly all still out there. You can download Drupal and get started with it right now.

https://www.drupal.org/

WP just ate most of the market by hitting a few different sweet spots:

* Free, open source
* Easy to deploy (drag these PHP files over here)
* Easy to get started using (here's a page, fill it with text, click save)
* Lots of free themes and add-ons available

Circa 2010 WP and Drupal were in very close competition, with WP coming from the low end (easy but basic) and Drupal from the high (powerful but complex). Turns out it's easier to build up than it is to build down.

Jason Lefkowitz

@eaton My counter to the "It's easy to build WordPress with Drupal, why don't more bloggers use Drupal?" argument would be: most people don't want to build _anything_. They just want to publish stuff.

If the wide end of your funnel is "build the tool you actually want," you are never going to attract as many people as a pre-built tool that's close enough to what 80% want.

Jay

@jalefkowit It’s almost as though computer nerds have some shared characteristic that makes it difficult for them to understand other people’s mental states

tux0r :openbsd:

@jalefkowit @vekkq @djwfyi Luckily, most SSGs work just well without Git.

Rocketman

@jalefkowit 150% this.

I'm running my blog on Hugo (or trying to). I've just managed to build a git workflow that maybe works, and now the damn box is giving me garbled pages, and I'm finding myself reading about something called "taxonomy templates".

I'm blessed with great curiousity, but I swear that I never wanted to know about this stuff in my entire life.

Rocketman

@jalefkowit btw, if anyone knows of a software that
- generates static web pages, including for blogs
- is easy to self-host
- makes it easy to post from mobile
- is not the Microsoft Word of websites, with a sprawling collection of attack surfaces
- isn't centered on a white guy who's badly mishandling his midlife crisis

then do give me a pointer. Thank you.

Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@Devourer_ITA @jalefkowit "Not everyone is willing to learn how to [Insert complicated thing]" is something many people have a hard time understanding, especially so in the context of technology.

Wordpress (the software) is great in this regard as it is neither paternalistic nor suffers from elitism. It's easy enough everyone can use it, but offers all its complexity to the user if so desired. If it weren't for constant security issues I'd say it's the way software should be.

Devourer

@Natanox I've been wanting to run a website myself, I even have a URL, but I want to be able to just, write what I want and add pics and other niceties as needed

I don't want to learn how HTML and CSS work just to make a blog post

lynfox

@Devourer_ITA @Natanox
Do you mean:
I want to be able to cook fabulous meals, I even have a fancy kitchen, but I just want to serve up the meals like I see on materchef.
I don't want to learn how to read a recipe or mix ingredients or know how to operate the stove. :awesome:

sex in the ziti

@tux0r @jalefkowit @vekkq @djwfyi oooooh, yes. oh yes yes,

every blogger knows how to use a terminal.

as is well known.

[nods knowingly] /s

Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@lynfox @Devourer_ITA Even within your analogy you're wrong as "reading the recipe" would equal to studying source material for what you want to write about and operating the appliances equals using software like Wordpress.

I *really* hope you don't expect any chef to learn how to build their own stove or forge a pan. A few people might enjoy using a stove you have to light a fire in (or even cook on a diy fireplace, i.e. use static website generators), but this shouldn't be the expectation.

Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@lynfox @Devourer_ITA Might I also add this applies to everything else too… like Linux (you shouldn't have to learn to be a SysAdmin to use a computer) or even having a really cozy place in a garden with two chairs (you shouldn't have to learn carpentry).

Society works by standing on other people's shoulders to reach new heights, that's the whole point of a society. Those who specialized in something should act as enablers and offer their wisdom to pull everyone up, not thrown upon them.