I fear this my be a risk of starting something.

Buck Moon

I fear this my be a risk of starting something.
Yunohost has separated out their xmpp feature.
So I'm going to ask a question. Would people recommend I set up xmpp or should I set up matrix?
(Theoretically I could install both, but I want to stop collecting accounts to monitor)
#xmpp #matrix #askFedi

nadja

@bootblackcub In terms of E2EE both are pretty bad, but XMPP is *slightly* worse. If E2EE does not matter to you (likely since you're setting up your own server anyway), then it depends if you need 1:1 chats or want a good chat room experience. XMPP can not offer the latter, but is as a whole experience better for the first (although the protocol shows how incredibly dated it is in the features it plain does not have, like replies/threads or reactions).

Debacle

@dequbed @bootblackcub

Note, that #Jabber has message replies and message reactions since some time now. Replies are implemented at least in #Dino, #Gajim, #Kaidan, and #Prose. Reactions are implemented at least in #Conversations, Dino, Gajim, Kaidan, #Movim, and Prose. Probably more.

TTBOMK, the #XMPP protocol itself has threads since ages, but I'm not aware of any implementation in a client. @prose is working on it, so I heard.

Kris

@dequbed Uff... like every single sentence you wrote is either wrong or very outdated. XMPP has all those features, and group chats have significantly less issues such as incompatible rooms versions or broken e2ee like with Matrix.

nadja

@kris I mean true if you just don't have e2ee for chat rooms it's much easier to never have broken e2ee in chat rooms.

Kris

@dequbed again false, XMPP has e2ee in group chats and it usually works better than on Matrix, but admittedly that is a low bar and hopefully MLS will improve that further in XMPP soon.

nadja

@kris yeah no, XMPP does not have e2ee in group chats. It has 'encrypt your message to each recipient with OMEMO individually' in group chats which is laughable to anybody even remotely knowledgeable of cryptography. Not to mention that OMEMO is pretty bad on the best of days.
But sure sure, MLS will fix everything. Maybe I'll even see it deployed in my lifetime

Kari'boka

@debacle @dequbed @bootblackcub @prose Reactions are also enabled in #Dino, #Gajim, #Cheogram and #Monocles

Kari'boka

@dequbed @kris

Not to mention that OMEMO is pretty bad on the best of days.

Please elaborate. What bad means?