Why does GNOME have a bad reputation?

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@shanefagan I think GNOME strives to be a top to bottom integrated environment which is not modular or composable. The advantage of this is you always know what you will be getting. The disadvantage is that distributions have limited space for self expression. GNOME OS seems like the endgame, the full expression of what the project wants to build.

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@shanefagan COSMIC has an absolute opposite approach of trying to build modularity at all levels. The compositor, panels, applets, lock screen, etc. are all replaceable components.This requires more work on interfaces between these components, and increases the testing required. I hope it drives more cooperation between other projects on cross desktop standards (in wayland-protocols it already has!)

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix I really hope something lands for this. It is a hard problem as positioning cannot always be respected with unique compositors.

Mattias Bengtsson

@soller I read the thread and if I understand you correctly GNOME has a bad reputation because developers are being chased and harassed to include code that they don't want to include¹ and they eventually snap. Does that sum it up²?

1: I won't argue the right of a project to decide on its own direction.
2: Please don't answer. You've been behaving like a self-entitled internet troll the entire time I've known of your existence.

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@mattiasb May I ask why you are replying to me if you are not asking for a response? Can you just block me and move on?

Matthias Klumpp

@soller @BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix I am working on a solution that should work for most compositors: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/264
(not so well for autotilers, but that is to be expected)

This should enable DAWs, some CAD apps and many scientific apps to work on Linux, as well as the W3C WM spec and compat layers like Wine.

Jasper Vinkenvleugel

@soller so you think it’s a good idea to, once again(!), send a load of people in the general direction of a GNOME developer? That will surely help with the tone of their reactions!

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@matk @BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix Thank you for your work!

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@jvnknvlgl Why is just pointing out the toxic behavior of a GNOME developer such a problem for you? Do you agree with their response?

Jasper Vinkenvleugel

@soller first of all, I feel that the “toxic behavior” accusation is quite overblown. This discussion has been going on for years now. I’m not saying that I agree with the response, I’m just saying that I understand where it’s coming from. But I also think that you, a person with a reasonable amount of followers, should know better than to publicly point people to someone you don’t agree with. Having a following comes with a responsibility, whether you like it or not.

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@jvnknvlgl If you do not want to be called out, please do not post extremely toxic nonsense on a public platform.

Jasper Vinkenvleugel

@soller I hope you can understand that the same goes for whatever you’re trying to accomplish here.

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@jvnknvlgl I would like a few select GNOME developers to stop treating anyone who kindly disagrees with them as bad faith actors with an evil agenda. Yes, there are the haters, but simply asking if SSDs could be supported should not be met with a response involving time machines.

Jasper Vinkenvleugel

@soller on the other hand, I would like you to stop sending your multiple thousand followers to someone that has already blocked you for your past behavior. But I suppose we’re not going to agree on any of this, so I wish you all the best.

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@jvnknvlgl It is simple and easy to delete the post if it is such a problem!

Jasper Vinkenvleugel

@soller come om.

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@jvnknvlgl You are defending a toxic person and shaming me for having too many followers?

Jasper Vinkenvleugel

@soller I am shaming you for behaving irresponsibly with the amount of followers you have, that’s something else entirely.

Jeremy Soller 🦀

@jvnknvlgl Why are you not shaming the person who made a toxic post?

Akseli :quake_verified: :kde:

@matk @soller

thank you, and good luck i really like the zone idea in general.

having the application related windows inside a designated zone and thus being able to move them all around by dragging the zone around (if implemented so) is brilliant idea.