Why does GNOME have a bad reputation?

[triskelion@floss.social]

@soller @TheEvilSkeleton Probable it's about COSMIC no longer being a fork of GNOME xD

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@triskelion @TheEvilSkeleton Thank the gods we don't have to adapt to their choices anymore.

[theevilskeleton@social.treehouse.systems]

@soller why does System76 have a bad reputation?

System76 employee asked and got an answer: https://blogs.gnome.org/christopherdavis/2021/11/10/system76-how-not-to-collaborate/

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@TheEvilSkeleton Lies and this is still GNOME nonsense

[theevilskeleton@social.treehouse.systems]

@soller it's hard to believe you when the author proves their point

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@TheEvilSkeleton Blocked.

[finefindus@floss.social]

@soller @BrodieOnLinux @[email protected] Speaking about standards, could you please update the cosmic portal to indicate the correct screenshot portal version?

Currently, it returns 2, which indicates that color picking is supported, even though it is not. This leads to mistakes where clients wrongly assume that color picking works.

I've made PR a while ago, but it hasn't seen any response so far.

screenshot: indicate correct version by FineFindus · Pull Request #103 · pop-os/xdg-desktop-portal-cosmic

Return version 1 for the screenshot portal to indicate that the PickColor method is not yet fully supported. This will allow clients to properly check and handle the missing method. Ref: flatpak/xd...

GitHub (github.com)

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@FineFindus @BrodieOnLinux Sure, I will request a review on this

[shanefagan@mastodon.ie]

@soller It's such a hard subject really because it challenges the identity of what a DE upstream should be and how standards work on Linux.

My hot take is Gnome should provide technology to make a customised DE so more of a standardisation body than trying to make a tight opinionated product. The more it deviates from being a tech provider to being a product the more upstreams will do their own thing because the experience at distro level should be varied because the use case varies.

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@shanefagan I think GNOME strives to be a top to bottom integrated environment which is not modular or composable. The advantage of this is you always know what you will be getting. The disadvantage is that distributions have limited space for self expression. GNOME OS seems like the endgame, the full expression of what the project wants to build.

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@shanefagan COSMIC has an absolute opposite approach of trying to build modularity at all levels. The compositor, panels, applets, lock screen, etc. are all replaceable components.This requires more work on interfaces between these components, and increases the testing required. I hope it drives more cooperation between other projects on cross desktop standards (in wayland-protocols it already has!)

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix I really hope something lands for this. It is a hard problem as positioning cannot always be respected with unique compositors.

[mattiasb@mastodon.xyz]

@soller I read the thread and if I understand you correctly GNOME has a bad reputation because developers are being chased and harassed to include code that they don't want to include¹ and they eventually snap. Does that sum it up²?

1: I won't argue the right of a project to decide on its own direction.
2: Please don't answer. You've been behaving like a self-entitled internet troll the entire time I've known of your existence.

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@mattiasb May I ask why you are replying to me if you are not asking for a response? Can you just block me and move on?

[matk@mastodon.social]

@soller @BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix I am working on a solution that should work for most compositors: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/264
(not so well for autotilers, but that is to be expected)

This should enable DAWs, some CAD apps and many scientific apps to work on Linux, as well as the W3C WM spec and compat layers like Wine.

[jvnknvlgl@mastodon.social]

@soller so you think it’s a good idea to, once again(!), send a load of people in the general direction of a GNOME developer? That will surely help with the tone of their reactions!

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@matk @BrodieOnLinux @aks @tripplehelix Thank you for your work!

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@jvnknvlgl Why is just pointing out the toxic behavior of a GNOME developer such a problem for you? Do you agree with their response?

[jvnknvlgl@mastodon.social]

@soller first of all, I feel that the “toxic behavior” accusation is quite overblown. This discussion has been going on for years now. I’m not saying that I agree with the response, I’m just saying that I understand where it’s coming from. But I also think that you, a person with a reasonable amount of followers, should know better than to publicly point people to someone you don’t agree with. Having a following comes with a responsibility, whether you like it or not.

[soller@fosstodon.org]

@jvnknvlgl If you do not want to be called out, please do not post extremely toxic nonsense on a public platform.