Tbh I hate everything about this and it makes me want to run far, far away from AP and never look back:
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diaspora* is… interesting.
It's not bad, but it isn't a good substitute. It's basically a purpose-built protocol (meaning that it is built to serve a single use case).
It has a lot of tradeoffs (this is not a criticism, they'll tell you this upfront) that are built around that use case, and a lot of history that brought them to this point (which is both a strength and a weakness).
Basically: they are a good protocol, but too specialized for general purpose
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@hazelnoot @hrefna OStatus was this and it sucked because all the bits could get out of sync
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PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl:replied to Hrefna (DHC) last edited by
@[email protected] i just... why hachyderm then?
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Hrefna (DHC)replied to PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl: last edited by
@PearlescentFerret what are you basing that on?
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PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl:replied to Hrefna (DHC) last edited by
@[email protected] the owners and their goals, the users, posts I've seen, and it's reputation.
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PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl:replied to PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl: last edited by
@[email protected] I'm genuinely shocked nivenly aren't part of this foundation tbh
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PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl:replied to PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl: last edited by
@[email protected] though hachyderm is a sponsor of iftas, who are in this foundation
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nivenly-foundation_extremely-proud-to-announce-that-hachydermio-activity-7239887358614024192-voVg -
smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)replied to Hrefna (DHC) last edited by
The direction of AS/AP is not surprising me.
As for, umm.. protocol variations, seems there's quite a bit of interest, plus also various efforts already underway.
Personally besides social networking protocols I'm also following Leaf / Iroh / Willow delving into local-first paradigm, by @zicklag and @erlend part of Muni Town (formerly Commune).
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Hrefna (DHC)replied to PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl: last edited by
@PearlescentFerret One of the owners has boosted my criticism, and a lot of positive response to my criticism has come from users on hachyderm?
The most critical response has come from Ye Random Instances.
I'm not surprised that they provide support to IFTAS and I don't oppose them sponsoring IFTAS. Despite my disagreements _with_ IFTAS its core mission and work has been solid and necessary. But IFTAS is a separate organization entirely.
Hachyderm has over 10k active users. Not a monolith.
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PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl:replied to Hrefna (DHC) last edited by
@[email protected] neither is mastadon.social but it has a reputation for a reason
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Amberreplied to PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl: last edited by
@[email protected] @[email protected] i mean there's a difference in "oh we sponsor IFTAS" and "We support IFTAS forming a monopoly on community moderation, building and features alongside META, Automattic, Medium". I may not support IFTAS' choice of blocklist, but I do admit that tools such as https://hachyderm.io/@thisismissem/113170288075357382 are invaluable (especially considering this is an opt in, for local instance media that does not scan all federated media).
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PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl:replied to Amber last edited by
@[email protected] @[email protected] what's their choice of blocklist?
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Amberreplied to PearlescentFerret :v_demigirl: last edited by
@[email protected] @[email protected] I believe they endorse/support TBS. They may have changed stances but that was one of the first criticisms I heard about IFTAS. You'd probably be better off asking my administrator @[email protected]
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IFTAS supports their own blocklist and does some work with aggregating others blocklists (including multiple different ones). Nivenly has never supported TBS—there is now a defunct proposal _to_ support it, but it was never implemented and was not carried forward—and hachyderm to my knowledge doesn't support any blocklists (if so, it isn't a public source for any of them).
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@hrefna I’ve seen others express a similar sentiment and I realize I don’t know enough to know *why* it has caused this kind of reaction. If you have the time to give a little more color, I’d be very interested. Thanks!
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@davepeck Sure!
There are basically… I'll call it the three overlapping camps of negative reactions
There's the Anti-Corp reaction. People who will under no circumstances support something that meta is involved in when it comes to the fediverse. There's a fear of EEE and basically anything they touch is poison
There's the Conflation reaction. These are your people who view "Social Web" and "Fediverse" as broader terms and get squicked by trying to reduce them to AP https://deadsuperhero.com/2024/09/swf-icky-feeling/
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Finally there are what I'll term the "cynical" group that view this as being only capable of causing harm (either by sucking the air out of the room or by pushing in directions that don't address the core pain points) and at best being value-neutral. You can see my take in this regard here: https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/113195719374062411
An earlier take of mine cuts it differently, but boils down to the same thing: https://hachyderm.io/@hrefna/113194201958175325
There are some variations on these that change their flavor.
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@davepeck e.g., in terms of the conflation, you get people who don't think that things should be conflated for a reason of _culture_ (because it's ahistorical and seems like self-aggrandizing from Evan), and you also get people who don't think that things should be conflated as a matter of _technology_ (because AP is a PITA to work with and this further seems to align with mastodon-as-defacto)
It comes out to the same point, but the reasons are different and people will have several reasons 3/3
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Yep. One thing I'd add on point #1 is that some of the pushback is specific to Meta, some in terms of the involvement of any large corporations in the fediverse, and some specifically in terms of Social Web Foundation's mission including ad-supported monetization. Of course they all blur together ... still, sometime last summer @[email protected] did an interesting pair of polls of people's reactions to Meta and Tumblr (also owned by a big corporation, also ad-funded) joining the fediverse, and the difference was noticeable.
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@jdp23 @hrefna @davepeck Yes, here's the poll results in question:
mcc (@[email protected])
Attached: 2 images Results from this poll: With ~620 respondents, 66% are opposed or alarmed to "Threads" [Instagram] joining Mastodon/Fediverse. 85% are supportive or indifferent to Tumblr doing the same. Here's why I made this poll: It seems odd at first the Fediverse is all about connecting platforms but its users are so vehemently opposed to "Threads". What this poll implies is Mastoverse users are *not* opposed to corporate presence in the Fediverse. This is a trust issue with Facebook *specifically*.
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
I think the results are suggestive. People have knee-jerk mistrust reactions to Facebook ("Meta"), or things that Facebook is involved in, in a way they do not react to other companies (and because of Facebook's history, I believe this is fundamentally rational).