So.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

So. A young woman has been sentenced to pay 4000€ because she supposedly attacked police agents at a protest against fascists in Manmheim, Germany. I advised her to get a lawyer and take it to court. Which means she is facing a financial risk of around 6000€. which she doesn’t have. If I would start a gofundme to help her, would you chip in?

Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️

@jwildeboer Difficult to say. Is there any video proof that she didn't?

If the police goes to court with such allegations, they really always win, UNLESS there is a video proof showing that the police lied. Yes, they always lie. But the court will never admit that the authorities lie, until there is a really convincing proof.

Mirko Schenk

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This. In this case I'd rather give (a small part of) 4-6000€ to her instead of a lawyer who wouldn't change anything.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@mort @forthy42 Just paying the 4000€ would mean she is "vorbestraft". Going to court is the only way to change that.

Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️

@jwildeboer @mort It doesn't end up in the “Führungszeugnis” if it's no more than 90 “Tagessätze”, and the first offense. There's not enough information in Jan's toot, but many “Strafbefehle” are exactly those 90 Tagessätze, for exactly that reason that it's then not going into the Führungszeugnis.

Going to court adds another risk: the judge is free to impose a higher fine.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@forthy42 In this case it *is* more than 90. @mort

acid

@jwildeboer have you tried going to Rote Hilfe?

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@acid Yes.

Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️

@jwildeboer @mort Then there's indeed one reason to go to court. The second one however still is evidence that the police lied. Unfortunately, in that case, you need a strong proof of innocence.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@forthy42 And that's why you need a lawyer @mort