I did not wish to change password managers. What's a decent password manager that's free software, and has a usable Firefox extension that works on both desktop & mobile?

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@Ganneff @liw Yeah, that'd be fantastic. The Bitwarden browser extension is the reason I started using it in the first place, but... they're getting enshittified.

Perhaps Vaultwarden + pre-shit extension fork could work, but... at this point I am a little vary of Vaultwarden's future, too.

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@triskelion Psono sounds interesting, but there's a for-profit behind it, so I'm vary of trusting it. It might be a decent interim solution though. Thanks!

Hex

@algernon I really like KeePassXC. Recent versions even create webauthn credentials (passkeys).

From the "as a service"-options I recommend Proton Pass.

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@hexmasteen Hrm. Looks like the server side of Proton Pass is not open source, only the clients, so that's a no-go, unfortunately. Sad, because the apps did look decent!

Michael Schurter

@algernon Bitwarden. I pay for syncing because I want to support the devs, but afaik it’s self hostable.

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@schmichael https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/11611

(I am currently using Vaultwarden + Bitwarden clients, and wish to move away from that, because of the above.)

Hex

@algernon Correct, but if you don't plan to selfhost it shouldn't matter much. The server doesn't get access to important stuff as it's all e2ee (like the other proton services).

Like always crypto in the web-client is problematic of course.

It's always about trust and the threat model. Establishing a non-profit foundation earned them some trust from me. (not affiliated btw)

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@algernon Voltwarden

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@hexmasteen I do plan to self-host, as I'm self-hosting (Vaultwarden) now, and have no desire to change that, nor sign up for Yet Another Account. I already have too many.

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@tardis I am using Vaultwarden currently, but it - currently - requires a Bitwarden client, which they're enshittifying. So I will have to move away from Vaultwarden, unless a suitable client emerges.

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@hexmasteen (With that said, it might be a good option for my parents who don't self host as much as I do, so I'll forwarded the recommendation to them, thanks!)

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I'd normally say "Proton", but sounds like you want to self host.

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@ferricoxide I do, yeah. Otherwise Proton would be a strong contender, indeed.

Ryan Clough :scremcat:

@algernon I've had no issues with KeepassXC's extension recently. They've even added passkey support, though that's still a bit flaky because of the diversity in implementations.

I have poked at a bunch of other options, but I've found pretty much all of them to be lacking in some form or another. Adding a file sync program (self-hosted Syncthing for me) and leveraging KeeShare has filled in for basically all of the cloud-based features I used to rely on.

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@algernon Yeah, I have no idea what we'll be doing because we are using the same. Which sucks. Also, I'm sorry but, this name is super funny...

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@tardis Hihihi. I am finding it hilarious too. It's just for halloween, though. I'll change it to something else after (or if I get bored of it sooner).

SakuraSubnet

@algernon I have nothing to say about browser extensions. But I can recommend having a KeePass file, synched between devices with #syncthing. No hosting, offline first, secure and you own it. If you want to host a full fledged password password vault, I can recommend bitwarden.

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@sakurasubnet Bitwarden (well, Vaultwarden + Bitwarden clients) is what I'm trying to move away from, because they're (bitwarden) are getting enshittified.

I guess I'm going back to KeepassXC. Used it before, and it keeps getting recommended. Hopefully the browser extension is less flaky than a few years back.

Ryan Clough :scremcat:

@algernon I should note that getting it to work on Ubuntu used to be a bit painful and required the .deb version of Firefox, but as of 24.10, it works with Snap Firefox with minimal additional work.

I should also note that Android is my preferred mobile platform and was a factor in my decision to use KeepassXC + Syncthing. There may be better options for other mobile platforms.

Gergely Nagy 🐁

@CiscoJunkie I'm on Android, and have Syncthing installed already, so things should be easy there. On desktop, I already have both the app & browser extension installed so that I can take them to a test drive in the near future. No snap shenanigans, just some NixOS magic.