Faircamp + Hubzilla = music site in the Fediverse

Roberta Fidora

@chris I think I use them slightly differently and when the website is undergoing maintenance, it's good to have something else to exist from. Additionally, I can manage a listener club, mailing list and emails from my site.

On the other hand...

Roberta Fidora

@chris ...I think many musicians are getting fatigued by there being too many things to update and log into and even their best current option might not fulfil all needs (for instance, my site does not allow for yearly membership and I currently have a very convoluted workaround for it). It seems like some simplification into one thing would be welcomed to a certain degree.

Be interested to know what @meljoann, @ethicalrevolution, @stefan, @axwax, @keefmarshall, @hilljam and others think too?

Meljoann

@RobertaFidora @chris
Yeah I think any “one platform for everything” type idea would have to be perfect for every need. At the moment musicians’ needs and wants are pretty diverse.

Definitely we are fatigued with the fact there’s no good solution for music discovery that everyone uses, so we do have to be kinda everywhere at once

@ethicalrevolution @stefan @axwax @keefmarshall @hilljam

Stefan Bohacek

@RobertaFidora Thank you for tagging me!

Definitely an interesting question, @chris. I am more of a hobby musician, and until @ethicalrevolution reached out recently to collaborate together, I was happy to just upload my music on SoundCloud. But I am now also seeing the state of sharing music online, and it's really a mess.

@meljoann @axwax @keefmarshall @hilljam

Stefan Bohacek

@RobertaFidora @chris

As for the original question, I like having a site where people can find my music/work, and a separate social media account.

I am hoping that ActivityPub, which powers Mastodon/fediverse, will grow in popularity with larger tech companies, much like with Meta (for better or worse) and we will one day get to only needing one account for social web to stay in touch with our fans, and find new ones.

@ethicalrevolution @meljoann @axwax @keefmarshall @hilljam

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@Roberta Fidora

right now Band Website and Social Media platform have different functionality ... the question was; could be desirable to get all functions under one hut without loosing any functionality like manage a listener club, mailing list and emails an so on..

maintenance and downtime could be bright by backup clones on different servers.., so this would not count as con for me

Roberta Fidora

@stefan @chris @ethicalrevolution @meljoann @axwax @keefmarshall @hilljam I hope so. Curious to know too if anyone else has moved platforms multiple times and kind of had to start from scratch each time, or whether (unlike myself), you've had the foresight to keep one domain to rule them all. My first band started on MySpace and by the time of moving onto a new project, I had no way of contacting any of the people on there. Did the same with Twitter and just blitzed the account into dust.

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@Meljoann

Definitely we are fatigued with the fact there’s no good solution for music discovery that everyone uses, so we do have to be kinda everywhere at once

now this is a different thing to solve... if you have all on one place you sure could spread to other platforms from there... but make sure reactions go back to the main place...

e.g. if you have a Band Website with Social Media functionality you still could boost your posts to other fedi platforms but all the commends would go to your original post to your Band Website

this does not work on platform which are closes up and don´t let you get thinks out - yes - but the future are federated platforms which are open

Meljoann

@RobertaFidora
I feel like I start from scratch on each platform either way. It’s like, all these platforms are so adversarial with each other, and actively hide your posts if you have links to anywhere else on the internet!

Plus they’re designed for all dopamine hits being contained JUST within their apps. So I just don’t think most people ever “click out” anyway…

@stefan @chris @ethicalrevolution @axwax @keefmarshall @hilljam

Meljoann

@chris yep, this is why I’m going back to POSSE* … which is where I started in the first place! Keeping my own spaces on https://meljoann.com & https://mustics.com

* https://indieweb.org/POSSE

Roberta Fidora

@chris Potentially and it would be amazing if more folks worked together and combined ideas so that it could be customisable for different needs. The other thing I should've mentioned (but ran out of space), is my website-building knowledge is extremely limited and I'm only really trying to catch up now. Perhaps part of that fatigue is not just all the platforms to update but the daunting amount of knowledge needed to untangle from them too, to understand interesting new projects such as this.

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@Meljoann
Yes it is all about POSSE

Looking at your nice site you have it all ! but federation is missing. Membership, Contacts and Commends seam not to federate but seam to be looked up just to one sever

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@Roberta Fidora

limited website-building knowledge

yes sure - things have to get more easy to use so that more people can do thinks

if more folks worked together and combined ideas

exactly that is the point...

but to get ahead there must be a vision of what is desirable first

Meljoann

@chris Ghost is working on federation as we speak though, so that can wait

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@Meljoann

Ghost is working on federation as we speak though, so that can wait

yes finally after years asking for it Ghost devs have announced that they want federation over ActivityPub to be part of the project - that is a big one... let's see how this will work out.

There is one problem i see today: ActivityPub is quid poor in handling user permissions - actually it doen´t really know any

but you need permissions for a federated CMS !
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Sign in authentication should work across servers - this also is not part of ActivityPub jet...

Hubzilla has it all today - working since over more than 10 years - what is lacking here are devs who make things more shiny - Hmm..

_jayrope

@𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼 Awesome to see this proof of concept. While i think, that the design of this is terrible (! ) it's lovely to see this functionally working. Leave the design to @Simon Repp, he knows what he does there

But yeah, hopefully i can host my own #Faircamp on Hubzilla instead of running a separate site as of yet ( #^https://fc.kliklak.net ) . Very cool!

Sent to the #Fediverse from a #Hubzilla instance.

Ema エマ

to really be useful, streaming and commenting should be made available on the same page. So that you can continue listening to the streaming while commenting for example.

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@Ema エマ

streaming and commenting should be made available on the same page.

It is allready, That is how it works... You just have to be connected to the ehma channel

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@Stefan Bohacek

I am hoping that ActivityPub, which powers Mastodon/fediverse, will grow in popularity with larger tech companies, much like with Meta (for better or worse) and we will one day get to only needing one account for social web

so what is the reason why ActivityPub was not invented by e.g. Meta?

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for all who are not on an OpenWebAuth talking system - just copy the given URL in your e.g Masto search bar and leave a commend