Toby Buckle offers (to my way of thinking) stellar analysis of what's going on politically as large numbers of Americans, our media, and corporate leaders jump with alacrity on the Trump bandwagon: it's not the old "economic anxiety" canard.

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@BubblegumYeti We'll see, won't we?

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@eberhofer The claim that I hear repeatedly about economic anxiety driving anti-Democratic votes is not about the huge and growing disparity between the wealth of the very few and all the rest of us.

It's about the perception — the reported perception — of people that they are doing badly economically. When, in fact, many of those reporting this are doing reasonably well economically.

Blaming the Democrats for creating that problem when Republican policies hugely favor the super-rich: bizarre.

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@officerripley One of the richest families in my state lives a block up the street from me. That family is super-excited to see Trump back in the White House, as are all the friends of that family.

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@lupus_blackfur I agree.

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@Kraemer_HB Except that both in 2016 and 2024, polling results show that people in that economic bracket voted for the Democratic candidate in larger numbers than for Trump. Trump's real support is in the affluent and in economic elites.

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@StrangeNoises @Lazarou Yes, you're right.

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@patrascan You're welcome. I wouldn't have found it except that David Kurtz excerpted it in the past day or so in his morning column at the TPM site.

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@susankayequinn I agree!

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@Greengordon Well-stated and exactly right, it seems to me.

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@tyggna I'm sorry you find Toby Buckle's commentary disturbing.

I myself like being disturbed — by the truth.

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@peachfront Thank you.

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@Paxil Yes.

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@ikanreed I highly recommend Toby Buckle's article — in its entirety — to which you're responding when you say that I'm missing something.

Matthias Krämer

@wdlindsy I'm not sure if economic elites are enough to get near 50% of the votes. The German "petite bourgeoisie" was not poor, back then. But inflation destroyed their savings, so they felt threatened in their status. Additionally, they felt Germany lost its status as great power after WW1, and that's an important part of discourse in America right now. I was shocked that more voters thought Trumps foreign policy would be better for the US.

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@Kraemer_HB I think Hitler would not have been so much in the public eye and would not have become a messianic figure for some Germans if Germany's elites — business and military leaders, media owners, university professors, churchmen — had not pushed him into the limelight. They bear ulimate responsibility for creating the monster that was Hitler. They thought they could control the monster. They were sadly mistaken.

eberhofer

@wdlindsy I totally agree with you, of course, that it's mostly Republicans driving the increasing gap.

But this isn't about blame but about winning an election.

In other words, the above is an argument Harris should have made to voters during the campaign.

She might have done it but it definitely wasn't understood. And that left a wide group of voters up for grabs, who are not MAGA, but supported Trump or didn't support Harris.

Just to clarify: I'm not saying that was the one thing that decided the election.

Matthias Krämer

@wdlindsy That's an important lesson for today. Messianic figures get created by elites. Only elites can consistently say "Oh, look at this guy, isn't that interesting?" and influence others, even when they themselves don't find this guy adequate. That's the same between Trump and Hitler, too, I think: Real elites, the high society, sneer at them as dumb low lives. But even they focus their attention on such figures. And maybe that is even an involuntary effect. Even Dem elites focused Trump.

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@Kraemer_HB I agree, an important lesson for today. As Dorothy Thompson repeatedly reminded her readers in 1937, it can happen again — and can happen anywhere. And it happens because of the active complicity of social elites.

Dorothy Thompson Is the Most Famous Female Journalist You've Never Heard Of | American Experience | PBS

She made a name for herself by speaking out against fascism abroad and at home. Then the fight got personal.

(www.pbs.org)

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@eberhofer I think it's easy to blame or fault Harris (a woman of color, after all) and "the Democrats," if we ignore the fact that the mainstream media have been relentlessly hostile to Democrats for some years now. When they will not fairly report the economic success of a Democratic presidency like Biden's, how are Harris and the Democrats to accomplish that?