"Today Trump confirmed that he intends to bypass normal legal constraints on his actions by declaring a national emergency on his first day in office in order to launch his mass deportation of undocumented migrants."

William Lindsey :toad:

@zagone If you see rounding up millions of people, incarcerating and deporting them, as something other than cruelty, then you and I see things rather differently.

William Lindsey :toad:

@Seilenos Definitely.

William Lindsey :toad:

@supergrobi That I agree is correct.

William Lindsey :toad:

@greycat Definitely not a great way to run things. A big step on the fascist path.

SAD

@wdlindsy @lupus_blackfur

That's the % of people that voted trump, in USA.

William Lindsey :toad:

@BassRck66 @lupus_blackfur I see. The percent of those who voted for him as tabulated against the whole population of eligible voters, many of whom did not vote, you mean?

SAD

@wdlindsy @lupus_blackfur

"Found it!"

The actual outcome of this election with •the whole US population• as the denominator:

22% voted for Harris
23% voted for Trump
<1% voted for other
26% eligible but did not vote*
28% not eligible to vote

* (whether by choice or by voter suppression)

Numbers might shift a tiny bit as last votes are counted, but this is close to the final tally.

Paul Cantrell

Laloofah

@wdlindsy Putting a dollar figure on such ugly inhumanity feels so… cold. Yet it is an undeniable part of the hideous equation, and the one that will get the attention of the fiscally-minded-but-hard-hearted.

Robert Link

@wdlindsy https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/11/11/these-stocks-are-outperforming-tesla-as-the-biggest-trump-trade-winners/

William Lindsey :toad:

"The next president has promised to start mass deportations of undocumented immigrants on his first day in office. He plans to force the military and local law enforcement agencies to round up anyone he thinks is undocumented.

There are several problems with this (of course there are):"

~ Pamela Hilliard Owens

#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
/13

The 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts

The next president falsely believes he can use these to deport 20 million undocumented immigrants and their American-born children.

(wearespeaking.substack.com)

William Lindsey :toad:

"• The program only targets brown and Black immigrants.

•Even undocumented immigrants pay millions in taxes from which they cannot receive benefits and spend tens of millions in the economy.

• Very few undocumented immigrants commit crimes, although the MAGAs escalate any crime to unnecessary attention, trying to cast all undocumented immigrants as dangerous criminals falsely."

#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
/14

William Lindsey :toad:

"• Documented immigrants and American citizens may be caught up in this program.

• Undocumented immigrants make up the majority of people who pick and pack our fruits and vegetables, work in meat-packing plants and nursing homes, and work on construction projects all around the country."

#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
/15

William Lindsey :toad:

"• If undocumented immigrants also have American-born children, it is planned to deport them as well, although the 14th Amendment protects the American citizenship of the children."

#Trump #fascism #immigrants #deportation #MassDeportation #cruelty #violence
/16

ScroogeReport

@wdlindsy Bill, you now realize we pick and choose our Amendments cafeteria style. As it suits our needs and appetites. - MAGA

Zagone

@wdlindsy

William -- The first a-holes to eagerly round-up people are cruel and evil.

A year or so later, they might be that, or "just following orders", or scared for their family.

I thought we were talking about why people voted Trump? I'm open to the cruel bastards version, but there are so many other narratives including economic desperation.

Economic desperation can be viewed as clueless, lied to, greedy, and/or single-minded.

Zagone

@wdlindsy

I had a guy who voted Harris and who makes about minimum wage clue me in on how important the economy was in all this.

Worldwide -- with inflation "after" COVID -- there has been a shift to the right in governments.

Now how people got fooled into thinking Trump or any other despot would be good for the poor and the economy is another issue.

William Lindsey :toad:

@zagone "Fooled into" definitely seem like operative words here.

William Lindsey :toad:

@zagone As commentators from Robert P. Jones to Paul Waldman to Charles Pierce and many others have noted, the "economic anxiety" narrative peddled by the media when Trump was elected in 2016 and rehabilitated all over again this go-round simply does not mesh with the facts. People may say that their reason for choosing Trump is economic, but dig beneath the surface to their attitudes about immigrants, gender-related issues, racial matters, LGBTQ and trans people, and there's a lot more there.

William Lindsey :toad:

@NeadReport I do suspect Pamela Hilliard Owen knows lots of examples of that happening in American history.

William Lindsey :toad:

@phaedral Thanks for the link. Yes, I hear of people bragging that their "portfolio" is thriving now. I'm in the wait-and-see camp about what's going to happpen down the road.