"I believe this election turned out the way it did in no small part because a large number of Americans are now submerged in new factories of lies more insidious than anything Orwell imagined,"
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FIAR Lightreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Well, that's head in the sand--if the Dems are going to be winners, they have to shift gears. It's PRECISELY because Dems failed to genuinely get things done in favor of kowtowing to their 0.1% owner-donors that they lost.
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@wdlindsy I was looking up Project 2025 to better understand what will happen to hubby's government job in Social Security.
I was confronted with dated news articles stating Harris was wrong for saying Trump wasn't going to cut social security following Project 2025, that he had distance himself from the plan. CNN.
She was wrong, but his lies were trusted.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to FIAR Light last edited by
@LightFIAR The Democrats may have shortcomings — they do have shortcomings — but they are not the problem.
Some of us cannot afford to put our heads in the sand right now, or to play dysfunctional games wasting energy on our own allies rather than confronting the threat that looms before us all.
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@sewblue There was all sorts of disinformation, almost all of it emanating from pro-Trump, right-wing sources, about Project 2025 in the lead-up to the election. I'm not surprised you found those sources online.
His lies were trusted seems to me to be the salient point.
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@gooba42 Yes. If there's history left to write down the road, the role the corporate media have played in leading us down the path to fascism will be front and center in historical analysis. They're beyond shameful.
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FIAR Lightreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Well, we see it differently. Pproblems Dems have aren't minor ones--they are profoundly degenerative. Facing the threats looming before us HAS to include reform and strengthening of the Dem party to reflect what people need: healthcare for all, a livable planet, an end to genocide (that I shouldn't even have to write).
Calling such need for reform "dysfunctional games" is in fact part of problem. Things aren't ever going back to the status quo; many of us will be dead within 4 years. -
Well, when they decide to move Social Security minimum age to 72, they will have a pool of seniors and the disabled to draw workers from.
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@wdlindsy “[Trump’s] obsession with the fictitious character Hannibal Lecter seems to be because he conflated insane asylums and refugees seeking asylum.” lol that’s the first time I’ve heard any explanation for the obsession!
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@moani Thanks for sharing it. I had not heard this explanation and am interested to hear it.
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@RoguePlayer Well, there's that, for sure!
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Rabbit (VOTED)replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @Nonya_Bidniss Holy hell. I thought people would be repulsed by a Nazi, and just didn’t believe he was one. It turns out they recognized it, they just don’t fear it because they’re not going to be on the receiving end of the hate. They stand to gain from it.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to FIAR Light last edited by
@LightFIAR Once again: no one is saying that Democrats don't have problems and that they don't need to face them. The fact that some of us will be dead within four years ought, in my view, to focus our attention on all those about to be seriously hurt by the new regime. That's where our concern and anger need to focus — not on tearing away at each other.
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lolonursereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
FFS!! It's very apparent that most of these people really have limited knowledge & understanding of who Hitler was, & what he & his henchmen aimed to do. They probably think Mussolini was a great guy, too. -
William Lindsey :toad:replied to Rabbit (VOTED) last edited by
@ra6bit @Nonya_Bidniss Yes, I think this is a dynamic fascism always feeds on: it exploits people's rage and ignorance, focusing them on some imagined threat, and gets them to make choices that are directly counter to their self-interest. Then those very same people have to wake up eventually and discover that, in targeting and hurting others, they've hurt themselves, too.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to lolonurse last edited by
@lolonurse That could be — a lack of real information about who Hitler was. The other explanation might be that a truly abysmal effect of what Trump is doing to reshape reality for a lot of us is that Hitler is being rehabilitated for many people who ought to know better.
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lolonursereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
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Board Gamerreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy It's too soon to tell but the fact that the Heritage Foundation is firing its leadership is a good sign. Trump will take the parts of Project 2025 he likes & gut the parts he doesn't. However, I don't think this will be the end of democracy Republicans thwarted his attempts to overturn the elections last time & will do it again. What liberals need to do over the next 4 years is take a hard look at their party & focus on how they can reshape their party to address the working class.
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lolonursereplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @Variant488
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mos_8502 :verified:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
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oldguycrustyreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
Yes, thank you.