"Vance won against Tim Walz if you don't care about his lies."
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William Lindsey :toad:wrote last edited by [email protected]
"Vance won against Tim Walz if you don't care about his lies."
~ John Harwood
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/1Smooth, Agreeable, and So Dishonest: JD Vance's Vice Presidential Debate Performance
Vance won against Tim Walz if you don't care about his lies.
(zeteo.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"JD Vance is a slick debater. He has the natural advantages of lacking a moral core and an ability to lie shamelessly."
~ Dan Pfeiffer
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/2The Pundits are Wrong: JD Vance Didn't Win the Debate
Vance impressed the pundits, but Walz scored points on the issues that matter to voters
(www.messageboxnews.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"Vance was a chameleon."
~ LaTosha Brown
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/3Vance or Walz: who won the VP debate? Our panel responds
Walz was solid but underwhelming, while Vance nimbly reset his public image
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"Quick debate take: the fact that the most upset/alarmed Vance got last night was at the prospect of being fact checked shows that…in every debate…
FACT CHECK!
Vance’s entire debate strategy was premised on NOT being fact checked.
And as a result, he lied the entire night."
~ David Pepper
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/4NEW POD EPISODE: Vance -- Replace Experts with Loyalists
WATCH: Vance Last Night and its Ties to Project 2025
(davidpepper.substack.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"Vance appeared slick, poised, and dare I say, held himself like a leader would. Still, the snake oil he was willing to ingest and sell to others was on full display."
~ Alicia Norman
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"Even if no minds are changed, the debate was still illuminating. J.D. Vance is as uncommitted to the truth as Donald Trump is."
~ Joyce Vance
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/6Walz versus Vance
Thanks to those of you who came and joined the debate chat tonight!
(joycevance.substack.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"If you didn’t watch tonight’s debate, this is all you need to know:
JD Vance’s solution to the mass killing of school children is 'stronger windows.'
Not one child has ever been shot through a school window. ...
My wife Tracy turned to me about halfway through the debate and sighed, 'Vance is a such a sleazy, oily, adept liar.'”
~ Lucian K. Truscott
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/7"Vance is such a sleazy, oily, adept liar."
If you didn’t watch tonight’s debate, this is all you need to know:
(luciantruscott.substack.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"If there is a 'sound bite' that will define the debate, it is when Tim Walz said that JD Vance gave a 'damning non-answer' in refusing to acknowledge that Donald Trump lost in 2020."
~ Robert B. Hubbell
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"The moments from this debate that are going to resonate were all JD Vance errors.
Walz, just nailing the moment, interjected 'that’s a damning non-answer.;
That was the critical moment when the mask slipped. Vance lied about Trump’s economic record and his health care record and his abortion record."
~ Dave Karpf
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/9JD Vance couldn't *quite* gaslight the audience for the full 90 minutes.
The format favored Vance, but he couldn't make it the whole way without being creepy and weird.
(davekarpf.substack.com)
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Julie Hughesreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy OOOOhhhh, I was using "smarmy" but "sleazy, oily, adept liar" is SO MUCH better, I think I'll switch!
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"He offered ludicrous non-answers on housing and climate change. And all of those lies and nonsense helped prop up his broader gaslight-narrative goal."
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Philip Cardellareplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy this is the core of debate me bro bro culture.
By no means are all people who love performative bull shit fascists.
But all fascists love performative bull shit.
I'm just saying.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
"The moments that did stand out in the debate put a spotlight on Vance’s tenuous relationship with the truth. When Vance lied again about the migrants in Springfield, Ohio, who are in the United States legally, Brennan added: 'Just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio, does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status.'
Vance responded: 'The rules were that you guys weren't going to fact-check.'”
~ Heather Cox Richardson
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"On the debate stage, facing two audiences—the people of the United States on one hand, and Trump on the other—Vance refused to acknowledge that Trump lost.
That moment tells you the most important thing about Vance: When democracy is in peril, he will bow to Trump, not to the people or the Constitution. He must never be given that chance."
~ Will Saletan
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/12The One Question That Mattered in the VP Debate
JD Vance failed to reject Trump’s lies about the 2020 election. He can’t be trusted to protect democracy.
(www.thebulwark.com)
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
"Corporate media continues to reveal its inability to meet the moment. CBS News was again worked by bad faith right wing actors and refused to fact-check the numerous lies spewed by Vance over the course of 90 minutes. The one time they did, Vance replied, 'The rules were you guys weren't going to fact check.' Sit with that for a second. That’s the current state of our political media."
~ Wajahat Ali
#TimWalz #JDVance #debate #lies #gaslighting
/13VP Debate Analysis: Too Much Midwestern Nice, Not Enough Fight
Mehdi Hasan and I discuss our thoughts about the VP debate and give our feedback and critique on the lack of moderation and how Walz could have attacked Trump -Vance and made a better case.
(thelefthook.substack.com)
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Chill Arrowreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy Would the "Fairness Doctrine" stop this insanity?
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Kamala Harris News Group 2.0replied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @mastodonmigration Message box newsletter is great!
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Kamala Harris News Group 2.0 last edited by
@KamalaHarrisWin @mastodonmigration Yes, really good commentary there.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Chill Arrow last edited by
@Starbrother That's definitely worth thinking and talking about, it seems to me.