We’ve made the hard decision to end our experiment with Mozilla.social and will shut down the Mastodon instance on December 17, 2024.
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Seth 🎙️:jawn_sg:replied to Ben Werdmuller last edited by
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@mozilla very sorry to hear this. Anyone from there that is looking for a server is welcome at IndieWeb.social.
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@hisham_hm @mozilla feels a little like this:
I’m not even sure why they can’t maintain an account which simply posts all the stuff they normally would on other platforms. Surely they are using a service that manages cross-platform posting.
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@mozilla I feel like the Mozilla I knew 10 years ago would not have made this decision.
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And my voice to the choir: a debrief on the experiment and what you've learned would be very valuable.
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[email protected]replied to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 last edited by
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[email protected]replied to Stefan Baur 6 * 💉 last edited by
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I really want to like Pale Moon. I love complete themes. But the developers are bigots.
Here's Moonchild in 2017 explaining that he believes men are inherently better at programming than women:
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16372&p=119333#p119317
Here's Moonchild in 2020 announcing that he will no longer accept donations through Patreon, because he claims they got "political" by putting a Black Lives Matter banner at the top of their home page. He instead endorses the "politically neutral" Paypal, owned by a billionare who has never done anything political.
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=192120#p192120
Here's Moonchild in 2022 complaining about "SJW"
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=27765&p=223145&hilit=SJW#p223145
Here's Moonchild's number two person Athenian200 in 2024 complaining about how terrible the gays on "Mastodon" are:
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=30942&p=249637#p249633
(And Moonchild agrees with him in the following post).
Here's Moonchild in 2024 making an April Fool's Day "joke" promising "Fully-inclusive accessibility features for every gender identity."
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=31021
Here's Moonbat, one of the current developers, in 2024 talking about how Elon Musk taking over Twitter improved things by driving away "lefty control freaks" (though it's worth noting Moonchild disagreed with Moonbat in the following post).
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=31234&p=252614#p252431
Here's Moonchild in the same thread complaining that people on fediverse care about accessibility along with "warriors for the cause" BS.
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=31234&p=252614#p252617
Here's Moonchild in 2024 talking about how "SJWs" are "triggered" by SerenityOS:
https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=31322#p254004
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@mozilla The moment another FOSS browser (engine) reaches feature parity with Firefox and Chrome you guys are fucking screwed.
The main reason you still exist despite a majority of people in the FOSS community heavily disliking you is a lack of proper alternatives. Once it exists… k thx bye.
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skedarwarriorreplied to [email protected] last edited by
@183231bcb @farbenstau @mozilla @Draconic_NEO @rail_ If that is a reason not to use a web browser, then you are stuck till ladybird happens.
Btw, that view of the first one probably comes from the fact that men usually have been traditionally more into programming then women. The rest is rather unfortunate, but you don't have to care about all that. If you aren't on their forum, you won't run into that crap much if ever. Even if you are though, I am rarely on it unless I need something extension wise or due to some useragent sniffing problem.
Its a pity though, alot of people using microsoft, don't do things the way you do. And yet microsoft is even worse about bigotry with regard to sexual harrasment, etc...
If there is anything especially problematic though, I really agree with that you said, its the paypal point.
But it doesn't translate into the way their browser is done. With mozilla and google, their awfulness is infected into their browser. Just sayin.
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@skedarwarrior @183231bcb @farbenstau @mozilla @Draconic_NEO @rail_ No, not really. Traditionally, men were the ones building the actual computers whereas women did all the programming. This was until around the 1970s.
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@enoch_exe_inc @183231bcb @farbenstau @mozilla @Draconic_NEO @rail_ Oh well forgive my ignorance then, I had the understanding it was the other way around. My bad...
I assumed that was the case since there have been problems today getting women interested in coding.
Its gotten better, but I recall there being some people trying to change that status quo to get more women interested.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to skedarwarrior last edited by
@skedarwarrior @enoch_exe_inc @183231bcb @farbenstau @mozilla @Draconic_NEO @rail_
Part of the trouble with that isn't so much that women don't want to go into #programming as a field: lots of women (and also people who aren't cismales in general) are interested in programming, but are deterred by not seeing themselves represented by the predominantly cis-male (and white) faces of the industry or the cultures they create, or turned away by people at the lower levels because they are not white cis-males. To give an example of this, when I was in college, there was a professor who had repeatedly complained to the female president of the computer science club that she was taking a spot that a man deserved, because "women don't belong in programming." Other professors were more subtle, but generally, there was hostility towards non-cismale students throughout the programs I was in, including myself.Keeping in mind, I graduated less than a decade ago.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by
@skedarwarrior @enoch_exe_inc @183231bcb @farbenstau @mozilla @Draconic_NEO @rail_
For all the work that's been done on #diversity, there are still serious issues of discrimination by professors within colleges against female students, queer students, non-white students, just anyone who isn't a straight white cismale in general. Computer Science can be one of the worst fields about that, depending on where you're at.And that's terrible, because computers and programming are good for everyone, and anyone can learn how to work with them.
Fortunately, there have been great efforts and great strides made to change the perceptions and experiences of marginalized groups in the computer industry, and we're seeing a lot more diverse faces in both the industry and especially in who we present to kids. There's a black woman on this platform, for example, who writes semi-educational books about black girls building robots. I think that's a great step forward.