Germany reduced gas imports from Russia to zero.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@xylakant In the official German gas import statistic Spain isn't even mentioned. Source: https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/DE/Gasversorgung/a_Gasversorgung_2023/start.html Belgium is a more difficult case. 40% of their LNG imports are Qatar, 40% Russia. Plus significant pipeline amounts from other European countries. So calculating how much Russian gas is exported to Germany is complicated.

Leszek

@jwildeboer
Congratulations to Germany on finally arriving here a decade later. It's good they did, It's sad it took so long. Even sadder others didn't arrive yet.

Regarding the coal: it does and it makes me sad that Poland keeps using almost half as much brown coal as the biggest polluter in EU.
The move to renewables is slow and there's not enough investment in the grid infrastructure to handle individual producers. I wish both PL and DE did more in that area.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@makdaam On that last sentence we fully agree.

Felix Gilcher

@jwildeboer The primary LNG importing ports that Germany relied on have historically been in Belgium and the Netherlands, both of which import significant amounts of Russian gas. So either our purchases from there are Russian LNG or domestic production which gets sold to Germany and backfilled with Russian LNG. Neither of which is great.

My more general point is: Looking at individual countries in a European market is comparatively low value.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@xylakant But concluding that Germany is one of the few EU countries that fully stopped buying Russian gas stays relevant, IMHO.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@xylakant But OK. Switching to an EU perspective: "The share of Russia’s pipeline gas in EU imports dropped from over 40% in 2021 to about 8% in 2023. For pipeline gas and LNG combined, Russia accounted for less than 15% of total EU gas imports.
The drop was possible mainly thanks to a sharp increase in LNG import and an overall reduction of gas consumption in the EU." https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/eu-gas-supply/

Felix Gilcher

@jwildeboer Like I said, we just happen to buy significant chunks of our gas via pipelines from countries that just happen to import significant quantities of Russian LNG. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@xylakant Yes, and while I at least try to put numbers behind my statements, you just hand wave around.

Felix Gilcher

@jwildeboer I do agree that the efforts on the EU level including when it comes to reducing total gas usage have been pretty effective. There are also states in the EU that basically have invested zero effort into reducing their dependency and that’s unacceptable. I just don’t agree that Germany is the shining beacon here.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@xylakant But we agree that Germany reduced Russian gas imports to zero, I hope.

Crofton

@etchedpixels @jwildeboer some people don't understand that the Saudi's control the price of oil. Stupid people will be the end of us.

The Penguin of Evil

@Crofton @jwildeboer It's also increasingly in their interest to play hardball. If they drop the price to $40 the US and Canadian producers go under. They'll not be able to get funding because it's also obvious that the Saudis can do this whenever they want and that oil is on a rather short runway at this point.
As a side benefit they get to screw their rivals in Iran and the Houthis.

Crofton

@etchedpixels @jwildeboer life is far more complicated than some people want to believe. I hope they don't, just to teach various world "leaders" a leason

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@Crofton Saying "the Saudi's control the price of oil" doth sound like an oversimplification, though @etchedpixels