I agree with this thread for the most part.
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This is what I said a while back. If we want to fund the fediverse, we should start by taking advantage of what's unique about it. We have to offer people real value that they can't already get elsewhere for free, and *at higher quality* to boot. But people will pay for features and experiences that corporate social networks will never give them.
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Here's me earlier this week literally saying "this specific thing is very important to me." And this is a service I already pay money for. What I'm told is "nah we don't wanna do that. But maybe the people working for free will get around to it at some point."
As the kids say. The math just ain't mathing. This is not how you create sustainability. Give me the actual thing I want, then charge me money for it.
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Again, I'm not upset at masto.host saying they don't want to give me this feature. It seems like they've achieved a nice, sustainable lifestyle business for themselves. They don't personally have the problem we're talking about. But it's also worth noting that masto.host finding sustainability isn't resulting in more value to the fedi ecosystem. And it's also not providing that much more value to me as a user.
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The stance that the fediverse often takes towards it users ensures that even the people who are paying money are doing so begrudgingly. At the very instant I stop being too lazy, I'm gonna move off masto.host and take my $11/mo back out of the ecosystem. I have to give that money to someone else in order to actually get what I want.
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Both!
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I think there is some of this. But it's not a big issue. There are tons of people here who are not devs. I remember the fervor when the brid.gy thing happened. A bunch of people all angsty about it but not feeling empowered to do anything. I've had lots of people tell me that they feel daunted by running their own instance.
I think it's a problem that the voice of technical people is overrepresented here. It underscores my point that actual users are not being served.
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Damien (friend of eggbug)replied to Marco Rogers last edited by
@polotek Oh 100%. Mastodon/fedi at large is very much a nerd space still, for better and worse.
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Marco Rogersreplied to Damien (friend of eggbug) last edited by
@eramdam that's what I'm saying though. It's not. Those are just the most vocal people. There are tons of people here who are just not participating in these conversations. Because they can see that we're not taking about what they actually care about. The nerds only talk to each other. a) because a lot of nerds don't actually want to talk to normies, and b) because the nerds talk about nerd shit a little too much and the normies have no reason to seek them out.
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@violetmadder @Mutesplash both of those issues and more. It's a complicated problem to be sure. But not unsolvable.
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propapanda :verified:replied to Marco Rogers last edited by
Running services in general isn't an easy thing to do. Otherwise everyone would do and you wouldn't need professionals anymore since everyone would be a professional to some degree.
I think the trade-off Masto.host picked is fine for most people as long as Masto.host isn't shutting down.
Masto.host could also run DNS servers that people can point their domain to. This would probably be the easiest solution around links breaking when moving the instance, ..
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propapanda :verified:replied to propapanda :verified: last edited by
however most people would be overwhelmed modifying DNS records and for the sake of simplicity, they went that road.
They are not asking for a lot of money afaik, so Masto.host looks like some sort of side hustle and developing a full (complicated) onboarding process takes time and no one wants to pay for that.
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Brian Hawthornereplied to Marco Rogers last edited by
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Marco Rogersreplied to Brian Hawthorne last edited by
@bhawthorne @jerry great job. Nobody is making blanket statements. This is a big problem but not a universal one. I hope you find ways to participate beyond "this isn't a problem for me".
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Marco Rogersreplied to propapanda :verified: last edited by
@panda I already had to modify dns records to add my own domain to my mastodon identity. Yes it would be a barrier for a lot of non-technical people. It doesn't apply to this particular feature because the user has already opted into dns config. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that I wouldn't mind taking a couple of additional steps. In this case, I'm being told no just on principle.
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Brian Hawthornereplied to Marco Rogers last edited by
@polotek Offending reply deleted.
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Marco Rogersreplied to Brian Hawthorne last edited by
@bhawthorne I know that was a bit of a rebuke Brian. But I don't want you to respond by deleting. I was sincerely asking you to find more that's behind that. You could try to learn more out more about why your community seems to be working and share it with us.
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Brian Hawthornereplied to Marco Rogers last edited by
@polotek I don’t have a problem with thoughtful rebukes. As described in the pinned post, my brain doesn’t work as well as it used to and I frequently find myself saying things that are less than helpful. If I have the spoons to look into this at some point, I’ll come back and share with you what I find out. But in the meantime, I’d rather not have incomplete stuff hanging out there. Which is why I am quick to delete when I realize the topic is really deserving of more thought than O can give it at the moment.
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Marco Rogersreplied to Brian Hawthorne last edited by
@bhawthorne that's understandable. Thank you for sharing. I hope things are going okay. I've been struggling with some things myself.